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Introduction
As mentioned in the 2019 Product Roadmap topic, this thread serves multiple purposes.

  1. Allows us to keep you updated on the project status (either good or bad)
  2. Allows you to participate and help us develop amazing products with you
  3. Enjoy each other’s company and have fun talking home automation

How this initial post will be laid out is in five sections:

  1. Project Overview
  2. Initial Hardware & Software Requirements (edited to remain up-to-date)
  3. Timeline (edited to remain up-to-date)
  4. Pinned Ideas & Shout-outs (edited to remain up-to-date)
  5. Weekly Recap

Housekeeping

  • DATES & FUNCTIONS ARE NOT SET IN STONE: Just a reminder that all dates and functions are sometimes fluid. We have to make choices based on feasibility, opportunity costs, and overall timeline. I will be as transparent as possible on these decisions, but just a heads up, they may not always be exciting.
  • NO IDEA IS A BAD IDEA: Ok, some are, but honestly throw out anything that you can think of. If we use your idea, we’ll credit you and send you a free device, so take that shot!
  • VERSION 1 VS VERSION 2: Some ideas may be fantastic, but may not make the cut for the first version of the product. Once the product is locked in from a function standpoint, we’ll keep a tally of V2 ideas and then once the product is produced, we’ll move the ideas over to the Suggestions & Wishlist section.

Ok, let’s get this party started!


Project Overview
The purpose of this project is to give people what they’ve been waiting for. Not only has this been the #1 most requested product for Inovelli, it’s been asked about for the 5+ years I’ve had a smart house and the missing piece of my home automation puzzle. It’s time to provide a solid Z-Wave offer that allows you to control both a fan and your fan’s light from one switch.

Project Name - Hurricane

The name came about due to the fact that this has been a product that I've seen asked for since I was in grad school at the U (Miami -- Hurricanes) where Inovelli came to life. It also doubles as fans produce wind and so do hurricanes. Cheesy, I know, but it gives us a chuckle internally.

Hurricane - Hardware Requirements
Here are the initial hardware asks we came up with. Pretty decent start!

Hardware - Initial Mockup

Hardware - Fan/Light Switch (Look / Feel)

  • Push Buttons (Top & Bottom): top button turns on/off lights, bottom button turns on/off fan – both buttons can activate scenes
  • Config & Toggle Buttons: buttons can be used to dim up/down lights, increase/decrease fan speed and also be used to configure the switch
  • RGB LED Bars: will measure the % of how much the lights are dimmed or the level the fan is on (LED’s should be RGB and should be able to be dimmed in intensity or disabled altogether)
  • Decals: should have etched decals indicating which is the fan and which is the light switch
  • Colors: fan switch will be offered in white, but the paddle should be able to be replaced to change colors (almond, brown, red, black, grey, etc)

Hardware - Fan Module (Look / Feel)

  • Size: should be able to be fit easily in a fan canopy
  • Wires: should have four wires (2x Lines, 1x Switched Line, Neutral – OPTIONAL, Not Required)

Hardware - Connectivity

How it will work is that your HUB will send a Z-Wave command to the switch and then the switch will send an RF signal to the ceiling module

  • 700 Series Z-Wave Plus: switch should be powered by Z-Wave
  • RF: switch will communicate directly with the module

Hardware - Features & Capabilities

  • Power Monitoring: Should measure power consumption for both light and fan separately
  • Z-Wave Distance Estimator: LED lights will light up red if not in range, or green if in range
  • CFL & LED Compatibility
  • Max Wattage & Amperage: 500W (Incandescent) & 300W (LED/CFL) for bulbs / 1 Amp for Fan
  • Reverse: Ceiling fan should be able to have the ability to reverse via the switch
    • 07/09: unfortunately, due to timing and complexities, we had to push this feature to v2
  • Neutral and Non-Neutral Compatibility: Switch should be able to work with or without a neutral wire
    • 07/09: unfortunately, due to timing and complexities, we had to push this feature to v2

Hurricane - Software Requirements
Below is what we came up with for the software requirements. It’s going to be one insane switch!

  • Z-Wave Scene Control: 12 scenes (Z-Wave Central Scene Command)
    • 6 Scenes via Tapping the Light Button or Holding for 3 seconds
    • 6 Scenes via Tapping the Fan Button or Holding for 3 seconds
  • Notifications via RGB Bars: RGBW Bars should be able to change colors based on events set up by customer (ie: if window sensor is opened, RGBW bar changes to red)
    • User can choose to sync the bars or have them show separate notifications
  • RGB Bars Config: bar should be able to change colors and also dimmed to the customers favorite level
  • Auto Timer: switch should have a timer that shuts the switch off after a certain amount of time
  • Easy Config: switch should be able to be configured via the light and fan dimmer buttons (by holding down both top / bottom for 5 seconds).
    • There should be infinite customization via parameters in the firmware, but also set customizations for HUB’s that do not allow parameter changes (ie: Wink)
    • You should be able to configure the light / fan separately
  • Internal Relay Disable: internal relay should be able to be disabled locally and via Z-Wave
  • Set Min/Max Level: minimum dim level / maximum dim level (for lights & fan)
  • Ramp Rate Configuration: ability to change how fast/slow light turns on
  • Ramp rate & instant on/off separated
  • Default Dim Level (for lights and fan): ability to set the default dim level
  • OTA Ready: ability to update firmware via OTA
  • Associations switch should be able to be associated to other Z-Wave devices

Timeline
Ah, everyone’s favorite part. When is this flippin thing going to be released? Great question – here’s the high-level of what happens leading up to the first release of the timeline:

  1. We present a PRD (Project Request Document) that has all of the above info in it
  2. R&D (manufacturer) analyzes the PRD and we go back and forth until we can align on 90% of the product
  3. Initial Timeline is released and remaining 10% of product features are added/cut along the way

Again, just want to throw this out there – I don’t have a crystal ball so I can’t predict things that come up along the way. Trust me when I say we’re trying our best to get things launched on time.

Pre-Initial Timeline Milestones:

  • Present PRD: Completed 05/22
  • R&D Analyzation: Completed 07/09
  • Initial Timeline Released: Completed 07/09

Timeline (Estimated)

The initial timeline will be shown below and will be updated weekly (if needed).

  • Design Phase: Completed (estimated completion date is 08/28 09/12)
    • Structure Design (Rendering, 3D Mockups, and Printed Mockups): In Progress (est. completion date is 08/09)
      • 07/31: 3D Mockups (Fan // Module) – Looking SHARP!!
      • 08/09: Printed Mockups are finished and ready for review (picture)
      • 08/13: Fan & Module Mockups are finished (see August 13th Update below)
    • Hardware Design (PCB Design & Testing): Completed (est. completion date is 08/28 09/12)
      • 08/16: Approx. 2 week delay here due to firmware engineers wrapping up our dimmer switch – basic firmware is needed to create the hardware (they work hand in hand)
      • 09/05: PCB Board completed for the switch and PCB Board for the module is underway to be completed by next week
      • 09/24: PCB Boards are completed and samples were sent for review with the PCB Boards in them (NOTE: They do not have live firmware, but the hardware parts are accurate)
    • RF & Antenna Design: Completed (est. completion date = 08/09)
    • Firmware (For Basic Functions Only): Started (est. completion date is 08/28/19 09/12/19 03/01/20)
      • 08/16/19: As mentioned above, there is a 2wk delay here due to the firmware engineers working on our dimmer switches
      • 01/07/20: Firmware got pushed back significantly due to a shortage of engineers at the manufacturer. The one assigned to our project had to work on Dimmer firmware much longer than anticipated. Couple that with other projects he was being pulled into, it caused a delay. Good news is that the manufacturer has said they’ve hired 2 additional engineers who will be assigned to us.
  • Tooling: Finished (est. completion date is 09/25 11/01)
  • EVT Phase: Finished (est. completion date is 09/19 10/31)
  • DVT Phase: In Progress (est. completion date is 10/31/19 12/03/19 02/11/20)
  • Certifications: Not Started (est. completion date is 11/27 01/03)
    • Z-Wave Certification (Technical): Not Started
    • Z-Wave Certification (Marketing): Not Started
    • FCC Certification: Not Started
    • IC Certification: Not Started
    • UL Certification: Not Started
  • Mass Production: Not Started (est. completion date is 12/12/19 01/20/20 03/25/20)
  • Arrival on Amazon, Inovelli.com, etc: Not started (est. completion 12/19 01/27/20 04/15/20)

NOTE: We will be rolling out Beta Testing while the manufacturer is celebrating Chinese New Year. We will be reaching out to a few people here in the forums. Testing will take place from 01/20/20 to 02/02/20 (or TBD).


Pinned Ideas & Shout-Outs
Here are the ideas from the community. We sincerely appreciate them, we love them, and we couldn’t create the products we do without them. So, thank you for your input and let’s continue to innovate together and change the home automation category for the better (NOTE: if an idea is crossed out, it’s not because it wasn’t valid, nor was it something we didn’t consider – we’ve discussed it internally or with the manufacturer and unfortunately it was not feasible).

Hardware

  • (Shoutout to Kyle1977)Universal Connectivity via RF: The switch should be able to communicate with existing ceiling fan modules using 915 MHz (as this is the most common followed by 433 MHz)
    • 07/09: This was a real bummer as I loved this feature, but unfortunately, having the 915 MHz frequency inside the switch to communicate with the ceiling module would cause major interference as Z-Wave runs on 908.42 MHz. The other frequency is 433 MHz and unfortunately, the antenna would be too big to put inside the switch and module. So, the manufacturer is suggesting 2.4 GHz.
  • @Arib0ndAdd another line terminal so that people who have both the line and load coming down from the fan can wire up the switch without a fan canopy, but still use the single switch design (with two buttons)
    • 08/22/19: I fought hard I promise! This will have to be moved to V2 due to a complete redesign of the PCB board and also there are some depth issues that may arise. Currently, the fan module houses the dimmer and fan control electronics and if we were to add two terminals to the switch in order to bypass the module, we’d have to move all the electronics from the module to the switch causing the switch depth to be much larger. We are planning on coming out with dual switches next year so we do need to figure this out – however, to meet the Jan 2020 timeline, unfortunately the team just couldn’t revamp the design at this time.

Software

  • (Shoutout to someone awesome – if you see this and recommended it, let me know Thanks @joshbgosh10592 glad you found the community and thanks for the suggestion!) Breeze Mode: Fan should have, “Breeze Mode” where the fan will toggle through the speeds randomly to simulate a breeze
  • @NicksGarage – Building on Breeze Mode - let’s add two options in the config button settings (low or high) so the user can select which type of breeze they’d prefer.

Weekly Recap
Every Wednesday, we have a meeting with our manufacturer to go over the various projects (status, issues, timeline, etc) and below I’ll provide a recap as well as edit the sections above so we can all keep track. If you have any specific questions you’d like me to ask, feel free to tag me and let me know so I can ask them as well. The weekly cadence for updates will be Thursday mornings.

August 7, 2019: everything above is the latest news. I’ll have a call later today with them and update everyone tomorrow.

August 9, 2019: project is still on track from a timeline standpoint. There may be a slight delay due to firmware resources, but for now it’s still on track. They’ve also created a mockup sample and will colorize it for us when @Nathan_Inovelli and @Brianna_Inovelli are out there next week.

August 13, 2019: @Nathan_Inovelli and @Brianna_Inovelli are out at the manufacturer and took some photos of the latest 3D Mockup (NOTE: Fan module will be black to match the back of the switch):

August 16, 2019: There will be an overall 4 week delay on these (dangit) due to the firmware engineers needing to understand the 700 Series SDK that is launching shortly as well as them being understaffed. I had a feeling this was coming, but it’s still disheartening when the project is pushed back. What we’re doing to combat this in the future is to start learning the 700 Series SDK ourselves so we can write the firmware in-house (to date, Eric M. has been overseeing the process, but his time has been dedicated to writing device handlers, drivers, answering technical tickets, and testing). However, we think it’s best to bring this in-house moving forward to save time. Dev kits are ordered and Eric M. and @Frank_jr_Inovelli will be learning some Z-Wave shortly!

  • Side note: below is a pic of the Fan/Light Switch vs the new Dimmer Switch from a depth perspective. Pretty impressive considering the Fan/Light switch is two switches in one!

August 22, 2019: The project is still on track for an early Jan 2020 deliverable. The team worked hard this week to try to get @Arib0nd’s design implemented, but unfortunately it had to be pushed to V2 due to the reason above, so there will be a module required for this switch (get those ladders out!)

September 05, 2019: Two days ahead of schedule! PCB Board is completed for the switch portion and has been tested to work (with basic firmware) and now they are finalizing the PCB Board for the module portion, which should be completed next week according to the timeline.

September 12, 2019: PCB boards are wrapped up and initial prototypes will be sent at the end of next week. We are on track to deliver per the timeline! They are a little worried about firmware and the fact that their engineers are newer and need time to understand 700 Series, but we will continue to push.

September 23, 2019: We received prototypes (to test and confirm the tactile feel of the buttons and to ensure everything was good) and aside from them looking like they were glow-in-the-dark (we knew ahead of time they wouldn’t be painted), they look and feel amazing! I’ll get a less autumny pic tomorrow, but for now it’ll have to do (I think it looks pretty sweet and fits in perfectly with the season). But long story short, we’re approved to move forward!

October 3, 2019: No real update here as the project managers are out on vacation until October 7th. The important thing is that the firmware engineer is now free to work on this given that Dimmer Switches are in Production! I’ll know more next week (October 9th) if there’s any delay due to the firmware engineer being tied up with dimmer firmware.

November 24, 2019: Dang, it’s been a while since an update – my bad guys. So, there’s been a small delay due to the resource allocation at the manufacturer for firmware engineers. Currently, they’ve allocated one guy to us and since he was working hard on the Dimmer Switches, he couldn’t start on the Fan/Light switch until recently. As you may have gathered, this project is much harder than the Dimmer switch AND it’s 700 Series vs 500 Series, so there’s a slight learning curve. As of right now, they are saying it will be mid-March, but we are pushing them for February as they did just hire two new Z-Wave engineers and have allocated them to us.

We will have a mostly working model at our booth at CES, which is great.

At the same point, we needed to add in a couple weeks so that we can send out test units to Beta Testers. We will be reaching out shortly to those on the list and what we’d like to do is have you guys put these things through the ringer so that we can really make sure they are good to go at launch (@EricM_Inovelli and I can only do so much and while they are Z-Wave Certified, since the switches are so advanced and some Hubs interpret firmware differently, there are bugs that inevitably shine through).

I can promise you all that this is still our top priority and right now, it’s all about the firmware creation!

January 07, 2020: Major update – I’ll start with the bad news and then finish with the good news! Bad news is this project will be delayed a bit due to manufacturer resources around their firmware engineers. Since this is a 700 Series product, they needed some extra time to learn the process and also since they took a while to work on the Dimmer switches, they didn’t have time to work on the Fan/Light. We’re looking at early Q2 now (the project timeline says late March, so there is hope, but based on track record, I’d say give us an extra month).

Ok, so what’s the good news? Good news is we have a final prototype at CES with partial firmware on it and dang, does it look sharp!

We should be rolling out beta testing around the 20th of January – stay tuned!

January 08, 2020: Pre-Orders are OPEN! Feel free to pick one (or 10) out here: https://inovelli.com/shop/smart-light-switches/zwave-smart-switches-gen2/z-wave-fan-light-switch-pre-order/

Pre-Orders will end on February 29, 2019. Thanks so much for your support!

Edit: Posting Random Schematics (will post more later):

#1 - One Wire between Fan / Switch

January 21, 2020: Beta units have arrived and we will begin testing shortly! Thanks for everyone who’s volunteered to test for us. I know there was a lot of interest and it was difficult to choose given the small amount of units we received. However, I’m confident in the group we have and we’re looking forward to sharing the progress.


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Have you thought about making one that fits in the fan shroud? Most of my fans either have a single hot wire between the switch and the fan (but have both the fan and lights) or no switch and were made originally to be pull chain controlled.

There is only one manufacturer of a fan shroud module (Zigbee) that I’m aware of but they are not widely available and have very week signals (must have a repeater nearby each fan). Universal Wink Enabled White Ceiling Fan Premier Remote Control, these do come with a remote control but I could use a Zigbee remote instead if the device didn’t have a native RF remote capability.

A couple points.

I have the Hampton Bay add on fan module and remote and it works well in the fan I use it in. Don’t have any distance problems. My biggest problem is that you can’t control the fan with Alexa, only the lights. I haven’t added it to other fans because they already have remotes that work.

As for breeze mode, the Hampton Bay module has that but it’s not usable for me as you can’t limit the top speed in breeze mode. The fan is very powerful and it’s right above the bed, high speed is just way too much.

Other features I like about the remote is that it has timer functions and you can also get a remote that has temperature settings to automatically turn the fan on and off. I don’t have that remote.

Curious on this as I understand the concept of Breeze Mode and was going to research it a bit more when it came time to work on the firmware…

  1. Does it actually feel like a breeze (yours sounds like a legit hurricane)?
  2. I’m guessing by the last part of the first sentence, you mean that since Breeze Mode includes the high speed setting (as I’m assuming it’s preset by Hampton Bay and can’t be changed) Breeze Mode is unusable bc it’s too windy, right?

What would be interesting is if there could be a couple Breeze Mode settings (ie: Gentle Breeze and Hurricane – ok maybe not that aggressive, but you get the point).

Let me make sure I’m understanding, because we do have a fan shroud in this package (I forgot to put a picture of it). Do you mean instead of the fan module being RF and the switch being Z-Wave, you’d have just the module be Z-Wave?

Yes, that is what I was thinking, however I missed the requirement that something should be able to fit in the fan canopy.

If the switch module pictured is Z-Wave to the hub and RF to the fan canopy module, then this should work very well for two locations where I have one switched wire for each fan coming from a switch, so I’d just replace that switch and the fan canopy module.

However in another location my fan is directly wired so currently it is only controlled by the fan canopy module (Remote). In that room there is a single switch for another light so I could expand that box to a double gang box and just feed your switch module from there, I just couldn’t get a wire from your switch to the fan canopy easily, but the fan canopy already has power so as long as that wire isn’t sending data or switching something then that should work.

If both of these scenarios would work then I’d definitely be signing up for 3 kits when they are ready!

Will that 2.4 GHz RF signal between the switch and canopy module interfere with Zigbee, which I believe also uses 2.4?

Eric,

The breeze mode basically randomly changes the speed of the fan while it’s running. It’s cycling through the 4 speeds of the fan and you can’t select to block the highest speed.

When you set up the fan, you set it at the highest speed on the fan using the pull chain and leave it there. I tried setting the pull chain at a lower speed but that doesn’t work because when the breeze mode tries to go to the lowest speed it would actually turn off the fan.

There is app control of the fan through Wink but it doesn’t work reliably and doesn’t allow you to adjust the breeze mode settings.

Nick

Alright cool – yeah, the flow would be:

  • You send a command to the HUB (either via mobile, voice, etc)
  • HUB sends a Z-Wave command to the light switch
  • Light switch sends an RF Command (via 2.4 GHz) to the module
  • Module turns on/off/dims the light or on/off/speed changes the fan

I believe this should work – but let me have the engineers confirm. I’ll send them this message.

Awesome, we appreciate it! I’m in for 3 myself :slight_smile:

This is an interesting question. So, when talking to the engineers, they were really only concerned about if the same band was in the same module (ie: 915 MHz and 908.42 MHz). But, I’ve also seen it where if there are too many WiFi devices, it can start to mess with your network. However, I’m talking about an insane amount of WiFi/ZigBee devices.

In this case, if you’re investing in a Z-Wave network, you should be fine with having the 2.4 GHz for 3 switches. But good call out for sure if someone starts with a ton of WiFi devices – there may be a slight delay from the switch to fan.

Interesting – ok, thanks for the input. Maybe we can offer a couple of settings and tie it to the config button so that you can choose it from the config button.

We built this functionality (config button) for Wink specifically bc they don’t allow the change of parameters in their platform and I have a soft-spot for Wink bc it’s what I started on and got me hooked on Home Automation. So, basically, what you can do is configure the parameters from the switch itself and not need Wink (or any HUB for that matter) to change anything.

Example: You want to change the ramp rate of the lights (ie: how fast they turn on). Normally you could go in and edit the parameter and it takes maybe 30 seconds. However, if you can’t do this (or don’t have the functionality) you can hold down the config button for 10 seconds to enter config mode, press the config button again a certain amount of times to go to the parameter you’re looking to edit and use the config up/down buttons to increase or decrease the settings. Finally, hold the config button for 10 seconds to save.

I’m going to put this in the list above – I know you didn’t specifically ask for it, but the collaboration back and forth was great and I think it’s a cool idea!

I was assuming this had a hard wired option to avoid needing a fan shroud. My home (and most stuff built in the last decade) has two wires running from the switch to the fan. I know I can use current products ( for eg. GE light switch and GE fan controller) but I prefer the user experience of this physical design better.

Are you considering making a fan controller only hard wired switch? Or making a hard wired version of this dual fan/ light switch? Probably a smaller market than the retrofit market this product will support, but a growing market.

Thanks!

Hey @Arib0nd – first, thanks for commenting and welcome to the community! Yeah, we definitely are making a standalone fan switch (that you can use in conjunction with a dimmer switch if you’d prefer for the lights of your fan). We’ve kicked off the project of the standalone fan switch, but most resources are going towards the fan/light switch at this point because it’s our #1 most requested product and there’s nothing else out there.

However, you bring up an interesting point around creating a fan/dimmer switch with two separate lines coming into the box. I wonder if the switch could be modified to give people the option of using one line vs two (similar to how we created our dimmer switch to allow you to either use the neutral wire or not).

Let me run this by the manufacturer – I’m sure it will be too late to change any physical appearance for this round without significantly impacting the launch date, but it could be a v2.0 version for sure.

I’m going to add this to the project above for us to explore as I think it’s a cool idea that we didn’t even consider.

Appreciate the input and have an awesome day – I’ll keep you posted!

EDIT 08/19/19: I’m still pushing the team – the design as stands requires a neutral and line wire to the switch and then the switch will communicate via RF to the module. Adding in this upgrade will make it so that we have to add two additional terminals and redesign the PCB board. I really want this in V1, but you know how those R&D folks can get :slight_smile:

So I really like what I am seeing here! Eric, a couple of questions?

Is the fan module a transceiver? If not how will you measure the fan and light power separately? Also for the fan control, Will speed be adjustable in 1% increments (capacitive?) or set levels (solid-state, like the Hampton Bay) High, medium, medium-low and low, etc?

One of the things I have noticed about the HB controllers “Breeze Effect”. When it is switching between low through whatever, every time that it changes speeds you can hear it. I am suspecting that this is due to the inductive kick when changing speeds (in larger increments) or maybe due to the torque of the motor, or the controller itself. It’s not super loud. But loud enough that I won’t use this feature at night in the bedroom :frowning:. Not sure if smaller incremental changes or ramping over time will reduce this noise.

Yeah @Ma2J definitely! Thanks for asking.

Yes, the module will be able to receive and send commands. I just confirmed with the engineers this morning as you gave me a slight panic attack (thank you though, as this would’ve been terrible down the road if we didn’t think through this) – the module will send data back to the Z-Wave switch, which will interpret the commands and update the data accordingly.

The switch will be adjustable at set levels (low, medium and high).

Yeah, that’s good feedback – I’ve never used this feature, nor do I have a Hampton Bay fan, but when it was suggested to us, it sounded pretty cool. I did wonder how it would sound as it seems like every time I use my normal ceiling fan on a smart switch, you can hear it kick on. I haven’t tested it too much at adjusting levels (I like my fans on high all the time – I know, I’m weird – I’ve grown accustomed to sleeping with the fan on).

Something to for sure watch out for as we move to testing on this feature!

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@Eric_Inovelli Thank you. I would be happy to have this even in V2. I have the Wink/Zigbee hampton bay fan modules in all my fans, and they are great when they work… but for whatever reason they seem to constantly drop off the network and need resetting/repairing to get to work.

But I understand that adding two terminals to the switch… and redesigning the PCB board to do what the fan module does - it needs circuits to safely controlthe fan motor speed etc… may be a challenge to fit in the switch itself. If that ends up being the case, another option could be to have a “mini fan module” that can fit in the outlet box?

Just trying to give you some ideas in case you run into additional challenges.

So trying to get an idea for if this would work. I have a ceiling fan that can’t be rewired (cathedral ceiling), right now I leave power to the fan on at the switch and replaced the light bulbs with GE bulbs. I use my phone / a button / voice command to turn on off the lights and the draw string to control the fan. Understanding that I can’t rewire the fan, if I replaced the switch with this and left the fan portion on and did not wire the light portion to the fan (since it lacks the separate wiring to do so) would I be able to set up a scene that turns on the bulbs when that is light switch is triggered and off when triggered again? Or does the switch need to be wired to a light? Thanks!

Hey @Arib0nd – so, we had a long discussion about this feature and we fought as best as we could for it for V1, but there are a couple of things that were working against us unfortunately that we have to push it to V2.

I did learn a bit more about the current design and how it works and understand their pushback.

The gist of it is that most of the dimming and fan speed electronics are located in the module itself. The original ask to the team was to make sure that the switch depth was as minimal as could be to fit in smaller gang-boxes, so they went with putting most of the hardware in the module itself.

If we were to move that hardware from the module back down to the switch, it would take up a ton of room and the switch depth would be massive.

So, I’m having them look into that for next year as we’ll be hopefully developing some dual switches that have been brought up in the forums and essentially, the fan/light switch is a dual switch, so we’d like to start understanding how to make that happen.

I wish I had better news on this front, but I appreciate the suggestion and definitely know that the team will still work towards it as it’s in everyone’s best interest to do so!

Could you elaborate more on this one?

This is an interesting example – thanks for sharing! Definitely something I’ll run by the team.

In theory I believe this should work, however, I need to understand whether or not the signal from the switch to the module can be disabled for lights only. There’s a similar example of how this works with our in-wall switches where you can disable local control (ie: the relay) and then have the switch send a command directly to the HUB to turn on the lights (or if you use Z-Wave, you can associate the switch directly to the bulbs and have no need for a HUB).

So, what you could do if all goes well with the answer I get, is to essentially disable the command from the Lights portion of the switch to the module, but keep the RF signal from the switch to the module for the fan portion.

Then, you would be able to send a Z-Wave Central Scene Command directly to the bulbs (if you swap out your GE bulbs with Z-Wave ones) to dim them up or down and turn off. If you stick with the GE ones (or any other non-Z-Wave bulbs) you can still control them via the switch, however, you won’t be able to dim them in real-time because of the different protocols (WiFi vs Z-Wave or ZigBee vs Z-Wave). To get around this you could set different scenes for when you tap the switch (ie: Tap 1x = turns on bulbs to last state, Tap 2x = sets bulbs to 50%, Tap 3x = sets bulbs to 25%, etc).

Hopefully that makes sense?

NET: I believe this should be possible if we can separate and disable the RF Commands for the light and fan. If we can, then I can better explain how this will work!

Hey there! Now that I know about this community, I’ll comment on here rather than reddit haha.
I’m the one that mentioned Breeze mode. Really looking forward to installing these once they’re done!

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Sounds great. Will definitely be interested in seeing if this works! Just can’t convince myself rewiring would be in the least bit worth it! Looking forward to all your new / future devices. Have you considered any type of controller or hub (which is a whole new ball game I know).

Thanks!

-MParadis