Yes there is, no phone can directly communicate on a thread network.
Thread, like zigbee, bluetooth, wifi, zwave are different kind of network so if you device (phone) can’t talk to that kind of network is not technically possible to do it.
Howwever via matter and a bridge it could be possible, since the phone would use wifi to talk to the bridge which will then send to the thread network. (that’s why it’s a bridge 
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Thread radios are in the iPhones since version 15.
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great news thanks for the info, but android does not yet and it’s 70% of the global market (as of 2024) even if you focus only in USA it’s just 58% of the market so still 42% of android that will not be able to do it. without counting the resource from innoveli to invest in such complex new app (nabu casa explain how it was not easy to implement that in home assistant).
Also I wonder what the market size of that population… I mean most people who invest in innoveli switch is not the very beginner so the % of people that have nothing to configure the switch should be minimal. And the most enthousiast smart home owner have a system (like hubitat, home assistant etc)
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All matter devices require Bluetooth radios for their initial configuration, no? Could this same radio not be used by an iOS and/or Android app (or even a website?) to allow external configuration?
Even with a bridge though, Thread uses ipv6 for addressing. Not every ISP or home network supports ipv6 so the bridge would be using NAT to allow the thread devices to connect to the Interne, if at all. The problem here is, is that there’s no way for something outside the thread network to then connect to a thread device unsolicited. The thread device would have to initiate the connection, but it wouldn’t have a way to determine the address of your phone.
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I can’t truly comment as we’re a home assistant household, but for me the draw of the white series is NOT matter but it IS thread. And we have got to stop confusing them in this dialogue.
Matter aims to improve interoperability and compatibility between different manufacturers and security, and always allowing local control as an option.
Thread is an IPv6-based, low-power mesh networking technology for Internet of things (IoT) products.
My vote is to make a white version of this switch for the reasons I’ve mentioned; if I’m going to be spending a lot of money on mains powered switches, I want them to strengthen my thread network. Before everyone starts; I am not saying zigbee is on the way out, in fact zigbee probably will be supported for at least another 5-10 years. There is just more momentum building behind thread as a networking solution precisely because zigbee has a single point of failure (the controller) and there are real-world congestion issues, especially with motion sensors that broadcast a lot of information (the very device we’re talking about 
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I think Apple did the right thing in including a thread radio in each Iphone, it will solve for the exact problem Inovelli and other manufacturers are facing.
Long story short; Please make a “white” mmwave switch. Just include a button when ordering “I understand I cannot set up zones on my iPhone and promise to not whine on the forums about it”. I want thread!
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The 2 devices have to be spaced at the distance the current plate allows before the faceplate (screwless or not) gets put on, so I’m still not seeing the point. If they can be that far apart once in the box then they’ll fit into the box during installation with the current faceplate.
In the picture you showed, the edges of the mud ring need to be filed down to get them to fit right.
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Not to harp on any one post specifically, just clarifying my other post in saying that’s exactly the confusion we should avoid. Especially in this thread (pun intended)! Matter over wifi, matter over zigbee, matter over coax - it’s all possible but not what we’re talking about.
The true benefit of a white version of the switch is future-proofing in thread networking technology. There is a reason Apple and Google are putting thread radios in their flagship phones.
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All of this sounds great! Happy to see progress and quality in tact!
Question: What will the 90% detection rate of the multi-person tracking mean for real-world use?
(1) if there are multiple people in a room, and one of them leaves, will the sensor still be able to detect that there is 1 person in the room 100% of the time? Or will the presence of multiple people beforehand degrade the single-person detection rate?
(2) what use cases will this impact? What are people using multi-person detection for?
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Let me try my best to illustrate. Maybe you and I can also talk via Teams to make it quicker.
This is how it looks now. The front of the switches (metal plate) are touching and that allows the perfect spacing between the faceplate holes (circled in red) as you correctly pointed out and is the current point I’m going back and forth on.
Here’s where I think I needed to do some better explaining as to why I’m targeting the metal plates vs the back of the switch.
The best way to fix this issue (aside from shaving the mud-ring) would have been to shave the sides of the switch down so that there’s some wiggle room to push the switch into the gang-box.
In other words, keep the metal plates the way they are so that the faceplate screw holes line up correctly, but shave the sides down so that you can get the switches in and then move them into the correct place.
The problem is that we can’t shave the sides of the switches down as it will cause structural issues and also there’s no room on the PCB to adjust the sides in.
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So, the only option is to remove part of the metal plate so the customer could at least get the two switches screwed all the way down and flush. The holes at the top wouldn’t be aligned for the faceplate, but once the switches were basically flush (and at least in the box), they could they could move the switches left to right to get it lined up for the faceplate.
I don’t really know how to illustrate this 
But I’m wrestling with the fact that this may have unintended consequences for people not using the mud-ring (the majority) as it would make it harder to put the faceplate on bc you’d have to line it up (whereas before all you had to do was make sure both sides of the metal plate were touching each other.
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As much as I’d like to say to just sand down the mud-ring, unfortunately what’s driving this change is that these switches have caught the interest of builders and there will be a ton of huge projects that will be installing them and if they put mud-rings in 1,000 units, I can’t really ask them to sand down all the mud-rings and these would be a pain to fit as shown in my original post. I couldn’t get the switch to fit when they were side by side since there were so many wires in the back.
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“as it would make it harder to put the faceplate on bc you’d have to line it up (whereas before all you had to do was make sure both sides of the metal plate were touching each other.”
But this is already true for virtually all regular decora switches and outlets that I know of, so I don’t think that it is an issue. Usually eyeballing the center of the screw slot is accurate enough (and you could engrave little slot center marks on the plate if worried).
Also, test with the face of the mudring not exactly parallel with the face of the wall, as having the extra space may be helpful here.
And with the blue Ideal bands that go around the switch and cover the screws, in case they are required to be used.
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Why don’t you shrink the edges of the metal plate, and then include a plastic spacer in the box? The purpose of the spacer is to get the proper spacing of the switches aligned for the faceplate. Maybe even find a way to include a level in the spacer so that my spacing is correct and the switches are level before I attempt to put the faceplate on.
Agree that changing for the sake of a minority use case is tough. What about break off tabs that the minority users could break off if needed?
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Did you get a tooling quote to make some custom mud rings and not change the switch dimensions???
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I was about to pre-order and had it in my cart to contemplate, but when I tried to check out today, I saw that the pre-order price is no longer available.
Am I too late to the pre-order? 
The cart is a bit confusing, but I think you are OK. The detail shows the list price ($890.00), but the subtotal looks like it’s got the pre-order price $690.00 (Pre-order) + 22.00 (Aux) + 7.98 (not sure what!) = $719.98
100 times this! Thread is currently the carrying force in the Thread/Matter combo. Matter has a long way to go due to the slow spec building process but Thread is what I want in my house and every mains-powered device is making it stronger. I hope I don’t need to add Zigbee as well because it will share the same 2.4Ghz frequency with Thread (and Wifi).
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Is it possible to cancel the Indiegogo order for these? I’m not super thrilled that things are back to the original manufacturer (have always had sporadic issues with the Red switches and firmware) and we’re now going on 18 months with no delivery. I tried submitting a ticket but it’s been a week with no response.
For some odd reason, the cart had the old price listed, but the website had the full price. I tried to proceed to the checkout, but instead of the pre-order price ($690), I was met with the full price ($890). That’s why I was wondering if I was too late that day.
I’m assuming that the pre-order price is no longer valid, as I don’t see that price anymore anywhere.
I first started out with Hue prior to ever having Home Assistant. I started noticing slow downs when using my hub once I went over 40 devices. About a year ago, I started migrating everything to Home Assistant and using a Zigbee dongle. I now have 43 Hue bulbs, 3 Hue light strips, 1 outlet, & 9 Hue dimmers (I hate those things) all on Home Assistant with NO Hue Hub. I still have 6 bulbs and 2 Dimmers on my old hub. Prior to moving to Home Assistant, I added a 2nd hub and the integration was TERRIBLE!! It all works with the switches but to use the app to control 2 hubs is NOT ideal. In the end, with MOST everything on Home Assistant, I found a custom card that behaves and looks almost EXACTLY like the Hue app (“Hue-Like Light Card” by Gh61 on Github), which makes it friendly to use for the wife and the kids.
As far as using DUMB bulbs with SMART switches, I agree, it’s cheaper and smarted, but some of us invested heavily in Hue early on. Unfortunately, dumb or smart bulbs don’t solve any issues if you don’t have a good smart switch. Thankfully Inovelli has great hardware. I’m putting off installing anymore of the Inovelli Blue switches until these mmWave’s actually arrive. I have 10 light switches and 4 fan switches installed so far and am waiting on my 10 mmWave switches. I am frustrated by the long wait, as it cost me $690, but I’m willing to wait if what was promised is finally delivered.
I’m also all in on this as a White switch offering. I had a bump in the road with my first White switch and their 1.0.0 firmware. A subsequent firmware update appears to have solved the issue. And honestly I never thought I’d think of a switch as an appliance. But this White switch is the greatest thing for lightbulbs since Edison.