Saw LTT’s vid.
I don’t see Belgium mentioned here, however I am certain there are enough people that would be interested in this project .
+1 Belgium.
I’ve first seen this thread a few months ago and am excited to see how’s it progressed since.
I’m from Australia and like they way you guys are very transparent and the features you have included in your products.
Will this project work in Australia?
Or will you need to create a new product?
I’m a Apple Home user so am interested in using the matter compatible device (White series)
Just giving a quick update. I have been working with the 3rd party handling the VAT and imports along with FedEx and we are finalizing the integration.
There’s just some small things that I’m waiting on from our manufacturer, but the lady who handles everything over there went on annual leave until later this week, so I have to wait for her to return to get the information to finalize the integration with FedEx since we’re shipping from China to customers.
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If it takes any longer, here’s what we can do. I’ve already kicked off the project with the manufacturer, so we’ll just open up pre-orders when the site is ready. Since this is no longer a “Indiegogo” type project and we’re paying for it ourselves, we don’t necessarily need a pre-order up.
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As for the questions/comments around mmWave, we’re not doing mmWave for the first switch in the EU. I know this may be a disappointment, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, we are testing the waters first before “going all in” with our product line. I have to see if the standard dimmer sells first before thinking about mmWave.
I’ll start a new, consolidated thread were the project will be more organized – this was more of a brainstorming type thread.
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As for the question about faceplates, this is where I’m going to need your help understanding the differences across the EU. This is what we had in our PRD:
We did not intend on producing faceplates with the switch for a couple of reasons:
- I am not familiar with the different types and it seemed to me that they were kind of fragmented across Europe?
- We typically don’t produce faceplates as in the US we found that most people just wanted their own and it was a ton of wasted plastic.
I’m open to adding them in if things are different in the EU as they are like $0.20, so not a huge deal. I just don’t want to have to produce them only for them to be thrown out.
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Hi hi!
About the faceplate: I live in France and we usually have Legrand or Schneider Electric switches and plugs (they’re both huge french manufacturers). I literally never heard of System/Standard 55 and it seems a Gira-only thing (which is german).
Unfortunately, it does not seems that they are compatible: usually when you buy a switch/plug in France, you buy the thing itself and the faceplate. I don’t get why they’re sold separately because the lines are regularly changing and each different model have a different faceplate.
So I would say that we need the faceplate for Europe 
(Thanks for the work in bringing those switches to Europe, they are definitely greatly awaited)
Poland here, first time I hear of Gira Standard 55. However, it means the components/inserts are 55x55mm, and even in Poland there’s a producer that has one series using 55x55 components too (Kontakt Simon 55), so face plates should match in size. Matching the color might be trickier, so I think offering optional faceplates makes sense.
Apart from that, there seems to be no standard. I currently have Schneider Electric switches and this particular model line has 51.5x51.5mm components. The only cross-brand standard I know of is the spacing of elements that are mounted next to each other, so that e.g. a 1x3 frame from multiple brands would all fit standard 1x3 installation box.
And yeah, pity for no mmWave, that’s the one I need the most - to have switch I don’t need to touch most of the times. Happy to preorder if that makes it easier (and ships within next 12 months).
UK here, outside of Aqara H2 and other competitor products to Innovelli, which sometimes have these frames, I’ve never seen anything like this in the UK, ours come as a complete unit.
The nearest thing to this is the euro module plate, which is used primarily for Ethernet keystones, but sometimes HDMI or other connectors.
Here in The Netherlands I’ve bought smart switches and dimmers that either came with no visual material at all (i.e. it was just a pcb and the user needed to supply the entire faceplate, buttons and frame) or came with everything included (i.e. buttons and frame). So in that sense, including the buttons but not the frame feels a bit out of place.
Having said that, it doesn’t sound too strange to me to be honest. Everyone is bound to have faceplates and such stuff already anyway. Though I’m by no means an expert on the topic and I have no idea how it works with different brands/standards/countries etc.
Plus, if people have like double or triple slot (e.g. 2 buttons and a plug), they would have to use their own faceplate frame anyway instead of the supplied one (if any).
On the other hand, it would be nice if the buttons and faceplate match in terms of style, material and color…
Including a frame would definitely make this friendlier to the UK. I personally wouldn’t be too put out by needing to also import frames, since I’d already be importing the switch, but would fret about fit and getting a matching finish.
In the Netherlands the 55 mm standard is really really common. Most people have it in their houses, either from Gira or smaller brands that have a 55 mm compatible plate. People do vary in colours and it being matte or not. So it would be nice to be able to match the rest of the house in terms of colour and glossiness.
Another smart switch I have comes with an Opus frame, which is also 55 mm. Unfortunately it’s matte and the rest of my material is glossy, but at least it fits in my Gira material, and I don’t use the plate. Another smart switch I have is 60 mm, so that sits without a plate on the wall..
+1 Lithuania. Been lurking the project for a while, glad to see it’s come a long way. I’ll share it around to other like minded people in my circle.
+1 Lithuania. Just recently started using light sensors and it sounds like one of main additional features that would be useful, also that adds to price and I guess we would not be able to use mmWave without neutral, but this one sounds good as a premium feature and increases wife approval factor than usual PIR.
Quick update – we have gone back and forth with the manufacturer for starting this project and in the midst of some back and forth, we were talking about the new MG26 chip that allows both Zigbee and Thread/Matter and we will be piloting the chip with this project.
EDIT (August 15, 2025): I want to put a large disclaimer here about the MG26 – while we have been told this is possible, we still need to test it and make sure it is possible. Let’s assume that the default is that this is a Thread/Matter product, but we will try our best to get it so that you can choose either or. Luckily there are other products out there that seem to be able to do it, but the problem we ran into before with the MG21 is that we were told something like this was possible, but it ended up not being the case due to the Matter firmware getting too large and our internal firmware was too advanced and took up too much room. Luckily it’s been a few years, so hopefully things have changed, but we’re willing to explore this.
What this means is that you will be able to choose either Thread/Matter or Zigbee. @EricM_Inovelli can explain further, but credit goes to him for pushing this!
As for the pre-ordering, I think for the time being, we need to hold-off on the actual purchase of the product until we can get further down the development route as the company that is handling VAT and shipping needs to know the box sizes, weights, etc which we do not have since we haven’t developed the product.
However, as stated, we are moving forward with this project regardless of pre-orders. I just wanted to clarify why you haven’t seen any movement on the website.
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As for beta testing, here’s the process:
- I want to lock down the timeline with the manufacturer now that we’ve settled on the MG26 and what the switch can/cannot do
- Once that’s completed and we have a timeline, I should know more about when we’ll be able to get the beta units – my guess (and you all know how great I am at guessing timelines…) is likely 3-4 months
In the meantime, I am working on a portal for beta testing and will post a link for a form to fill out if you’re interested. It’s going to be a learning experience for us as we’ve never tested anything outside of North America, so we’re really hoping to find some people who can help and are engaged with us.
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I am building a new house in AU , Smart Home run by Home Assistant. Have tested heaps of switches and platforms. Am retired and was in the corporate IT field. Happy to test anything, pre buy beta test and work through issues for AU products.
Here is my IT rack for the new house with NUC to run Home Assistant.
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Protocol switching would be great. I’ve found a teardown of the Aqara H2, which uses the MG24 and offers protocol switching. Looks like the main difference for the MG26 is more program memory?
Would be happy to be a beta tester, given how long I’ve been following this project! I’ll keep my eyes peeled.
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Any updates on the likely in wall depth of the switch? In the uk having it too deep will rule out a lot of people. Would really like a 2 gang switch for my kitchen but I’m constrained by a 25mm back box which won’t be possible to make deeper.
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They’re not doing a 2-gang switch yet until the 1-gang has proven itself, but compatibility with a 25mm box depth is a bit of a pipe dream for smart switches in general. They need depth for heat and electronics, which is multiplied with each relay.
If you’re in plasterboard, it’s not too difficult to swap the box. If into brick, the two options are to get a drill and chisel (or an electrician to do this), or spacers that bring the switch plate forward. I’ve seen one example of this with System 55, there’s some 3d printing models as well.
Whilst you say its a pipe dream it is technically possible.
I already have this zigbee two gang switch which fits in the enclosure and ive been using it for a couple of years. Id rather replace it though as it goes offline about every 3 months , and it can be a little sluggish to respond compared to thread devices
Hey everyone!
Just wanted to provide a quick update on this project:
This is still in progress; we’re just waiting on a timeline still. We’re going to be using inovelli.eu and had to go through some red tape for it, but it’s all done and should be live within a couple of weeks.
We hope to have more to share with you all soon.
Please let me know if you have any questions!
Thank you all for your patience on this.
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