Hi All,
My current setup involves a Cooper 6107 motion sensor switch in a weird 3-way setup without a neutral.
As it turns out, the wiring complies with Cooper’s diagram:
Taken from their manual here. The difference in the setup here is that the second switch does actually flip the lights on and off, instead of just on.
I’d love any advice and guidance y’all can provide here on replacing this weird setup with a Red 2-1 switch + Enbrighten 46199 Add-On
Thank you in advance
That looks to be a standard 3-way switch leg. The confusing part is that the diagram does not show the neutral wiring. In that drawing, the line comes into the right box in a 2-wire. It goes to the left box via a 3-wire. The neutral is carried by one of the 3-wire conductors, which is not shown.
The left box gets the other end of the 3-wire and has a 2-wire load going to the light.
Here is an interpreted drawing. If you have Romex, the colors should match.
These are the Inovelli drawings, flipped to match the left and right boxes in your drawing.
Bry,
Thank you so much! The peculiarities of the set up here extend a bit. I’ll attach photos of the specific setup.
Switch 2, which is actually “upstream”:
Switch 1 is the Cooper 6107, and downstream (please ignore the sticker labels, I was basing those on color)
There does not appear to be a neutral through either of the switches. However, all the light fixtures in between them do have neutrals.
I hope this helps to clarify my situation?
Unfortunately, the only thing it clarifies, at least IMO, is that I don’t think anyone will be able to understand your configuration from looking at pictures. It’s going to take hands-on troubleshooting.
Thank you Bry. Your post encouraged me to pick up a multimeter and figure out the wiring. I’ve wound up converting the situation into a single pole single throw, and the Inovelli Red 2-1 seems to be working. It’s online and responding to automations.
The only weird thing is that when we use the switch physically it only turns the lights on for maybe a minute and then turns off again.
Thank you again for your guidance here
Glad you got it somewhat going.
Does the light shut off at exactly the same interval, or does it seem random?
Thank you! It felt like the same interval, but then after I went into settings and customized all the things, it’s all working normally now!
Thank you again Bryan! Your guidance was very helpful here.
I want to leave you one feedback, if I may, which is around the configuration settings of the Red 2-1. I was very surprised that Paddle Up is actually Scene01. I honestly expected it to be Scene01 (my logic is that I buy a switch to turn things on, because off is the default state). So, my instinctive first action is to paddle up, rather than paddle down…
If all smart switch makers could standardize on the association between Scene # and Paddle position, that would make a lot of automation scripting a lot smoother out there.
With that tangent, my feedback to you is: thank you so much, you’re awesome!
Cheers,
Seemant
