But, as you noted, it shines in certain use cases, so I’m not likely to replace every switch in the house.
Maybe a few scattered about though.
It’s recommend some snazzy marketing to help people see the cool possibilities it brings. Everybody knows about having a dimmer switch or an on/off switch–but sparkling their imagination with this one is likely to help.
Personally I’m not willing to preorder and wait forever despite being in the market for smart switches so I don’t think it’s quite an accurate gauge of possible demand.
I also find your company and website and product line confusing, it’s probably even more so confusing for people just starting a smart home. For example, why are the red series zwave when the z wave logo is blue and why is the blue series Zigbee when the Zigbee logo is red?
The website is kinda cluttered, just organize it by switch protocol. Have a landing page for each protocol. More prominently advertise the decoupling ability of the relay and the status lights and give examples of how this can be super useful.
Also an outsider visiting your site is going to see zero switches available for order. Everything is sold out or preorder or a crowdfunding campaign. A prospective customer isn’t even going to bother exploring further if it seems like the company is on the brink of collapse and nothing can be purchased.
I would organize the website into an easier experience and I would get product in stock prior to trying to advertise. I would partner with all the home assistant YouTubers, send them product to review and then I think you’ll have no problem selling what you’ve had to order as a minimum quantity.
First, are you referring to the 8-pad ‘modular’ switch shown on 24 Apr? If so, I can see 4-6 (and maybe more) places I could use that. (If there were exposed multi-tap and/or multi-button events, that would be a plus.)
Second, any chance of ever releasing a Zigbee/‘Blue’ version? (Didn’t I read here recently that developing the ‘other’ version of a device you have already fully developed is easier now?)
Third, (and this applies to your entire line) I’d love to see a tighter collaboration/integration with @Domotinc-customs on customizing these. As soon as I can get some Blue devices and color paddles (that wasn’t intended as a knock, just a statement) they’re getting rung up to engrave them. I wish my Red devices had that option available when I purchased/installed them!
Just a data point, I have one ceiling fan (OK, two, but the other is DC motor and fully proprietary control) but about 8 Insteon keypadlincs that I would love to modernize.
The primary reason for the keypadlincs’ success in my situation is the labeling. Non-techie household members and guests can read the buttons and figure out what they do – and press the button marked “leaving” to turn on the front walk lights instead of some script trying to figure that out from sensors. So self-labeling or cottage-industry labeling (@Domotinc-customs looking at you) is key to a controller like this.
If the buttons can be lit up independent of being pressed, they can also be used as indicators. “Back door” lit up means the back door is open and you should close it before you go to bed. Even if pressing it does nothing, that’s still useful.
So my advice: make sure the labeling story is in order. Then play up the home automation scenes without tricky kludgy “let the house guess what’s going on” scripting. And the labeled indicators.
@dougl, funny you mention insteon keypadLinc. we will receive our first order early this week to hopefully start engraving for insteon as well as zooz.
@Eric_Inovelli, we placed on order for 55 paddles (order #40230) which we have been told should arrive next week at inovelli facility. let us know if you would like us to send you a sample (free, obviously). We would also love to test your z-wave 5 button for engraving!
also, we run a business of selling home automation to home builder in residential development. we should do about 50 homes this year and we put 5 button scene controllers in front of each doors that leads to the outside (front door, side door to garage, patio door) one in the master bedroom, one in the middle of the house and one in the bathroom to do a countdown timer for the fan. so on average it’s 5 to 7 of those 5 button scene controller per house. FWTW… I think your estimation is pretty accurate
Holy hannah, I have been out of the loop on this for a while, what a ride.
Am I interpreting this correctly that as one of the people who pre-ordered a 5 button switch in April 2021, if I continue to wait patiently, I’ll automatically be one of the first in line to receive whatever is finally produced without taking further action? I rarely am on the forums actively and haven’t received an email update on this since October 2021… (+ @Courtney_Inovelli)
My current house is 3 stories with 2 stairways. That’s 6 switches just to turn on the stairway lights. Why do I need a scene controller instead of just 4-way switches? Because I want to be able to also turn off (or otherwise set “away”) an entire floor. If I’m the last one out of the basement, for example, I want to be able to not only turn on the stairway lights, but also turn off all the basement lights. If this scene controller has a dimmer built in, I don’t need to expand the electrical box, it’s a 1:1 replacement.
I’ll also put one at each entrance to the house for landscape lighting control and for setting the house to away, panic button, etc…
And I’ll probably use 4-5 for large rooms with multiple lighting circuits for doing scene lighting.
So that’s going to be 23-25 for me. And that’s just retrofitting.
If I was doing new construction, I’d probably use this with smart bulbs or smart remote dimmers instead of having multi-gang boxes. For instance, I have a 23 sq ft half bath that has 4 switches in box. 3 lighting and one fan. That’s just stupid. I’d rather have a control like this that has labels for fan timer and scene lighting control. That would add probably 8 more orders from me.
I think the key issue will be labels. If those are cheap to get pre-engraved and/or easy to DIY, the use cases open up a lot.
I envision these being the main switch in all my bedrooms and living spaces. It would give me an on/off light switch plus buttons for manual controls for motorized shades and a couple left over buttons for scenes.
That said, even if I went crazy with these, we’re talking about 5 or 6 max, and the rest of the house would have around 18-20 of the 2-1 switches. It’s easy to understand them being 10x less popular.
love this and would love to replace my 8button keypad lincs. As some of the others stated i have similar thoughts on one at every door, stairs and master + garage. I’d be in for 6-8 easy. If they have the light up buttons I’d probably put them in more places. My house i would prefer to have these or mmwave I would prefer to see a blue series/Zigbee version though to match in and streamline the tech. (I Didn’t pre-order the old ones)
My use case is very similar to those listed above. These switches make automation much more accessible to kids, guests, and anyone else who isn’t going to memorize which multi-taps on which switches do what. A button with self-explanatory icon/text makes using automation so much more intuitive and usable. I would use one in each bedroom, each entry/exit for the house, and the top and bottom of our stairs. I think anywhere from 3-10 scene switch per household is a reasonable estimate.
In the end, I want to support whatever helps Inovelli survive and thrive. If that means Inovelli needs to focus delivering on the motion switches first and then come back to this project, so be it. Selfishly, I’d love these scene switches ASAP, but not at the expense of overwhelming your team.
we sold home automation in maybe 50 homes.
those type of scene controler are great. customer loves them. it’s the heart of the solution.
we put one next to each doors that lead outside (front door, patio and side door going in garage) one in the middle of the house for buttons like, basement on/off, 2nd floor on/off, movie time… one in the master bedroom with buttons like: all off, garage door, front door, good morning. also use them for the bathroom fan, button been 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45…
Starting a new thread and locking this one. Quite frankly, I just want to start fresh as this one carries a lot of baggage.
The good news is this is a fully funded project now from both a Z-Wave and Zigbee standpoint and we will be officially kicking it off in the next couple of weeks.
I want to thank everyone for their patience and for those that have pre-ordered this switch, I will be honoring this same pricing if/when we open up pre-orders on the new switch (I’m still undecided on that). Also a sincere thank you to those who pre-ordered almost 3+ years ago.