“…(I know pre-orders are open…”
Typo or did I miss this on the product page for the blue series?
Don’t need a 10pk but will pre-order to support you guys.
GL and thanks!
“…(I know pre-orders are open…”
Typo or did I miss this on the product page for the blue series?
Don’t need a 10pk but will pre-order to support you guys.
GL and thanks!
Just a poor choice of English on my part lol – I meant it as, “I know pre-orders are open during this time…” (the 6-8 weeks UL would be doing the additional certification).
My bad
I should have the page opened tomorrow or at the very latest over the weekend. I’m just trying to finish the Zigbee2mqtt and Hubitat instructions today and tomorrow so that everyone can feel confident in seeing the switches working on their platform of choice. I’ll probably get to the Alexa instructions after pre-orders are open as that’s the easiest one to do.
Thanks for the support, it really means a lot!
How much for a ETL certification? Seems like you can get one for about $19.99 (Zooz pricing anyways).
Apparently I stumbled onto this site on the perfect day! I spent all of yesterday reading through this thread and got the pleasant surprise at the end that I hadn’t missed the preorder! I getting a new place in July and I’m excited to get to use these Blue series switches to smartify my lights!
Alright all – finalizing everything today (hopefully). Would anyone mind skimming through the various pages to let me know if I missed anything and/or if there are any outstanding questions or things I can clarify?
Here are the outstanding items (if I’m missing anything, let me know):
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Aux Switch
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2-1 Switch (Single Pack & 10pk)
Thes pages should be good – I think I have all the disclaimers up and accounted for (they are at the bottom)
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Random
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Product Pages:
Setup Pages:
A caveat on the setup pages. You may see some notes to myself to go back and fix (ie: Replace URL or Replace Pictures, etc).
The feedback I’m looking for is: Do these make sense and can things be clarified better? I realize it’s difficult w/out having the product in hand, but from a first impression, I’m curious what you think.
I was looking at the setup instructions and I have 3 suggestions:
Bonus: when using dark theme some of the diagrams are hard to read because you have black text over a very dark background
Is using an aux switch preferred over two (or more) smart switches in a multi-way setting? The wording of the notes section under Multi-Way (Smart) - Neutral Wire scares me a bit (“You will have to rewire your setup to a non-traditional way of wiring (we’re going to put 120V to each switch) so that the switch will work.”
Not sure of a better wording and maybe this is more just for my planning purposes than something that would be helpful to others, but there’s a part of me that just wants to buy a bunch of contractor packs of 2-1 switches and make everything the same. But the idea of changing wiring to a “non-traditional” way of doing things for the few multi-way switches I have just gives me a little pause if that makes sense.
Also the instructions to bind switches together seems missing from that section
Non-traditional means line to every switch instead of powering on/off line and traveler in 3+ way arrangements in the red series, I assume it’s the same here. I had to rewire a few light fixtures and a few 3-way switches to comply with inovelli’s needs. It is “non-standard” and requires electrical work, but it all meets code of course.
Awesome, thank you! Exactly what I was looking for.
Updated, great suggestion!
Updated – thank you. I should have the URL shortly, although it may be kept private for a couple weeks prior to launch.
I struggled with this one tbh – curious on your and everyone’s thoughts on how to best explain.
Here’s how the switch works:
I thought about just scrapping the auto-pairing and tell everyone to start with the manual method bc at least it would factory reset everything, but then I thought people may be confused as to why their switch is pulsing after first install.
Good catch – updated
@Eric_Inovelli one thing that might be useful is a list of “community contributors” that can be tagged and/or messaged that consistently are helping others on the site for specific installs. I’d be more than happy to represent ZHA and/or HA and could be helpful on ST as well.
Great question and we get it a lot actually. It really comes down to preference. Some people prefer having the LED bar at both ends of the 3-Way, while others are content with having an auxiliary switch (and some are ok with a dumb switch).
Here are the pro/cons to both IMO:
Aux Switch
2x Smart Switches
Me personally, I would go the aux switch route simply bc the extra LED bar is not worth the extra $20 – and despite my pickiness of ad copy and other marketing design, having an aux switch not match my smart switch isn’t that big of a deal to me. I know I’m shooting myself in the foot regarding sales right now, but I thought I’d give my honest opinion. As I said though, everyone’s tastes are different!
Yeah, this is a good point and the more I’m thinking about it, I think this needs to live on both the product page as well as the instruction manual and wiring pages.
Maybe just a blurb or graph or something that shows the differences between the various setups. What do you think?
Yeah still working on those
Normally (or never) is the neutral wired to a dumb switch. The Aux switch will need a neutral or line on one leg of the switch and the other is the traveler.
@exces6 – something like this work to clear things up? Open to suggestions and tweaks. I’d put this on the product page, wiring page and manual.
EDIT: I’d also specify that this is for the 2-1 switch only and make specific charts for each individual switch (as some are different).
@Eric_Inovelli I like that chart! I could also see value in a “similarities and differences” chart just to put front and center “choose this → get this”
Really anything like the above that makes all of the options clear is great.
And to your point 2, does the aux switch match all scene control options with its buddy 2-1? Meaning a triple tap on the aux elicits the programmed triple tap response programmed to the smart switch? I assume yes; sorry if I missed that. Just making sure the aux has more than a single input if that makes sense.
I also think it could be useful to pull the wiring diagrams for each type of setup together under a heading for wiring type. So both 3 way options for neutral are side by side. That might make it too messy but when I was reading it was kind of frustrating to keep scrolling from "multi-way (dumb) to multi-way (Aux) neutral to multi-way (smart) neutral. Maybe all of the neutral setups could be grouped together so people who know what they have in their home can see every available option in one place?
This is how I would do it. Red X’s and green checkmarks based on features gained. You could do $/$$/$$$ for price as well.
I believe that is so! I think it was mentioned above or another post, but yes, a triple tap up on aux switch will be recognized on the blue series.
When will this switch and the aux switch be released
@harjms I believe that is so! I think it was mentioned above or another post, but yes, a triple tap up on aux switch will be recognized on the blue series.
Thanks! That was my initial interpretation as well, just wanted to be sure.
@Eric_Inovelli Speaking of the arrangement of the diagrams page, some of the links seem broken.
Multi-Way (aux) 3-way schematics and 4-way schematics link to the dumb switch sections. This is the same for both neutral and non-neutral sections. The headers under Multi-way (smart) do the same thing (link to dumb not smart sections).
And just to clarify what I was suggesting before: Since people know whether they have neutral wiring or not, so I was thinking maybe it would be nice to have a section for neutral wiring and a section for non-neutral, with all the various switch combinations under their respective headers. Most people coming to the site will probably be approaching it as “I have neutral wiring, where are all the options are available to me?”