Zigbee Motion Switch | Project Linus (Blue Series)

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Can someone help fill in the below info regarding configurations that will be possible with this switch in a 3-way (with neutral and traveler)?
(A) motion switch at line-side box, and dumb switch at remote box (no line) –> :cross_mark: not supported
(B) motion switch at line-side box, and aux/smart switch at remote box (no line) –> :white_check_mark: supported
(C) Inovelli aux switch at line-side box, and motion switch at remote box (no line), with detected motion at the remote box controlling the circuit –> ??
(D) Invovelli blue/red switch at line-side box, and motion switch at remote box (no line), with detected motion at the remote box controlling the circuit –> ??
(E) motion switch at line-side box, and motion switch at remote box (no line), with detected motion at either box controlling the circuit and with the two motion switches staying in sync –> ??

Note: the motion detection feature creates the scenarios (C), (D), and (E) where it is desirable/needed for the smart motion switch to be at the remote box, to detect motion from that location.

Is the answer the same for both zigbee and zwave? Binding/Associations required or hub in the loop required?

EDIT: I see this has been documented here now

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I solve this now using a Hue motion sensor pointed to catch you as soon as you break the doorway plane entering the bathroom. Then a Linptech mmW sensor takes over to monitor the bathroom.

My Linptech is currently right next to the light switch, so I’m hoping the Blue mmW will be the perfect replacement for it.

I plan to keep the Hue doing its current job – it is immediately responsive getting the light on, and we like that. I initially tried using the Linptech for everything, but its response time when initially entering was way too slow.

I’m pretty sure that was simply a cone-of-coverage issue versus a software-response issue with the Linptech, and I don’t anticipate the Blue mmW would be able to meaningfully improve that.

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900

Extremely stoked to get the switches and install them! Will be replacing every switch in my house with Inovelli, light & fan. Presence detection is going to be magical and I’m excited to start building some cool automations that brings everything together.

Kudos to everyone who worked on the project! It was extremely ambitious and the commitment to quality never wavered despite some of the hurdles along the way. I’ll patiently be waiting for my shipment of 25 switches :innocent:

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901

With these shipping shortly, is there an update or guide on how to define motion zones for switches connected to Home Assistant (ZHA or Z2M)? Will there be an HAOS addon similar to the Everything Presence Zone Configurator?

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From what I can tell I believe the initial release is just 1 zone so not much of a use for the same thing as the zone configurator but I would hope soon after we will see something - I have no knowledge on anything except for reading through all of this over the last few years. So 1 zone so they can get the switches out the door - more zones coming in firmware updates is that correct @EricM_Inovelli (I believe he is the right person to ask on that) maybe @Kaleb_Inovelli has some insights as well?

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i don’t need multiple unique zones, but I would like to be able to define area to ignore if possible.

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Maybe not exactly what you’re looking for, but all three axes are definable. So you can limit the margins . . . up, down, left, right and distance. This is good for limiting interference from ceiling fans, robot vacs, left and right stuff, etc.

But you won’t be able to cut something out of the middle at the present.

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Or … could this be accomplished with the “set_interference” command and value? I genuinely don’t know and it increasingly concerns me that I don’t know.

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It tells the switch to automatically configure an interference area based on the current state of the room. For example if you had a fan running on high and it made curtains sway in the breeze, it would automatically build an interference area to exclude that motion.

There’s not currently an exposed parameter for manually adjusting the interference area. It can only be automatically set or cleared.

As far as I can tell from beta testing, this seems to work with the interference area being inside the middle of the detection area.

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At launch the Zigbee and Z-Wave switches are fully configurable for one zone (via manual configuration or “room size” configuration) and one interference area (via the automatic method mentioned by @rohan). In addition, the Zigbee switch has a pretty complete cluster to configure up to four zones and four interference areas. These have not been added to the user facing “drivers” though (except I think a beta user had something almost complete in Hubitat). The Z-Wave switch still needs work on the firmware to enable this functionality since it is a little more limited on custom configuration like the Zigbee one has. Here is some documentation on the advanced configuration (which also has a link to the basic configuration).

Blue Series mmWave Presence Sensing Dimmer • Advanced mmWave Configuration | Inovelli Help Center

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909

Info looks great! The inclusion of 0x01 – Report Target Info will be super awesome for some of the ways I want to use these!

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I’m wondering if I’ll be able to tune out pets with this switch? Looks like I’ll need to duct tape the cat to the floor then configure parameter 111? That won’t end well…

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The floor side of the z axis is P101. You’ll have to keep raising that until the cat stops setting it off.

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For not detecting a pet, you’ll most likely be configuring Parameter 112 – mmWave Detection Sensitivity ( Blue & Red Series mmWave Presence Sensing Dimmer • Basic Configuration Guide | Inovelli Help Center ) so that smaller movements don’t trigger it. Biggest problem is if you have small children then the sensitivity for a cat may overlap the sensitivity for a child.

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Will there be anything like time of day based triggers for the lights? Or does that all need to be controlled via home assistant or a similar hub?

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You should not have any extra fees if bought on Inovelli.com as that has already collected taxes on your behalf. We will ship USPS (passes off to Canadian Post) but there should not be additional tariffs as the HTS code will note that these are coming from China. I do not believe Canada and China have the same reciprocal tariffs that USA vs China and USA vs Canada do. Correct me if I’m wrong, though.

I believe no taxes were collected on Indiegogo though. So it will be noted electronically that those had not HST/PST collected and it will probably be charged to you upon delivery I would assume. Not 100% sure how it works.

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You’ll have to limit your triggers by time of day in your hub’s automation.

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I would think that setting could also affect someone sitting still. The trade off of not having your pets set it off but also having the room go “empty” if you are just sitting there seems like a bad deal.

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You shouldn’t need to adjust sensitivity to block detecting pets, reducing the minimum height (like @Bry suggested) should work better. I would keep sensitivity at default to catch motionless people.

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Cats can go anywhere sadly so a minimum height setting is not likely to work with them. The plan is to use the mmWave sensor for intrusion alarm related input. I probably will end up triggering on the existing pet immune PIR sensors and will use the mmWave sensor to tell when to automatically re-arm the system after the alarm has been temporarily deactivated.