If anyone figures out a way to get the fan to reverse directions, I also would like to know. I just installed the canopy module, replacing a Kichler UC7067RY that I sent commands to via a Bond bridge. With the Inovelli fan canopy installed, the fan only goes in the reverse direction. The previous module I was using allowed me to switch directions with a push of a button on the remote.
You’re going to have to flip the switch on the fan housing. That capability isn’t built in to the module.
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The fan has no physical controls. The fan direction has always been switched through the canopy module.
Can you post the make/model of the fan or a link to it?
That’s an AC motor fan, right?
I’m trying to track down the fan make and model. So far I haven’t found anything on the body of the fan. So for now, here’s a picture of the fan as well as pictures of the canopy module and remote that I was previously using. I’m not the original owner of the house, but I would imagine the fan is from the same era as the house was built in, so it is probably from 2013 or 2014.
FYI, I posted a link to a Google Photos album with multiple photos. Just the first photo is shown. If you click on it, it should take you to the album.
That may be a Kichler 56" Guardian model 330057. I looked at the manual for that model and did not see a physical reversing switch, probably because that capability is built into the remote module. So if that’s the fan, then you are correct that there is no physical reversing switch.
Unfortunately, I don’t have anything else to suggest.
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Might be worth connecting the module to power (separate from the fan) and putting a meter on the output wires and seeing what changes when the remote switches the fan from reverse to forwards.
I found the model number: SP-5CS52 (photos added to the album I shared).
I can’t find a manual for it, but it does seem extremely similar to the model you found. Thanks for helping me dig into this.
Good idea! I’ll try that out and see if I can learn anything. If I do see something noteworthy, what are the odds of the Inovelli module being capable of reproducing the electrical current/behavior after an update?
I think it’s unlikely that the Inovelli module would be able to do it via software alone, but you might be able to add a relay or something that could help. Depends on what it’s actually doing in there.
ZERO percent chance that it will ever happen, since it needs hardware changes and also the LZW36 is end-of-life in terms of firmware updates because of a well-publicized breakup between Inovelli and the off-shore manufacturer that made that generation hardware.
I am 99% certain that the LZW36’s manual specifically says that it cannot be used on a fan that does not have a reversing switch…
I’m thinking that the OP was referring to the newer Blue or White Canopy module. He originally posted to an old LZW36 thread.
I’ve split this off to a new thread to avoid any confusion.
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I find it extremely hard to believe that module with only 2 output wires going between it and the fan motor can reverse the fan motor. AC single phase motors just don’t work that way, you can’t reverse them by swapping the 2 power wires from the source because it’s AC so the motor still sees the same voltage waveform no matter which way it’s connected.
Single phase motors are reversed by changing the internal motor winding connections, which would require more than 2 leads between the module and the motor.
It definitely seems odd, but the picture of the remote and the manual (on page 19) clearly shows a reverse button next to the power button
That’s exactly why I want to know what happens on its output wires when the reverse button is hit.
I wonder if there’s a DPDT relay inside the fan that’s changing the winding connections due to a pulse or something when the button is hit.
Like sending some kind of signal encoded over the 120V? It’d need to be connected and scoped to see that.
If it’s anything like other fans I’ve owned, it’s rapid on/off that triggers an internal relay in the fan to change direction.
Wonder how rapid? Could the module switch quickly enough to do it?
It makes sense that the fan has something inside because the module definitely can’t be switching the direction by doing something internally.