[HOW-TO] Using the Z-Wave Association Tool in Hubitat

[Eric_Inovelli]

@BertABCD1234

An alternative: would it be possible for the existing hardware to have its firmware modified so that there are two different inclusion procedures, one for “regular” pairing and one for secure (S0) pairing?

Possibly – @EricM_Inovelli – what do you think here?

@BertABCD1234

In the meantime, these should be usable on a Hubitat C-7 by using a secondary controller to include them instead. Staff just added a note that they don’t recommend these on (actually officially don’t consider them compatible with) the C-7 hub, but this is a workaround a few people have used for these and a few other devices that seem to be problematic with S0.

Could you expand on this? I haven’t experimented (nor followed the Hubitat forums as closely as I should’ve) with this. Would be great to have a workaround!

@amdbuilder

Isn’t the certification only required if you ship the bulbs with S2 support? You could always provide a beta firmware that adds S2 support instead?

Yes, definitely – this is something we’re trying to get for everyone. The problem is there seems to be limited space on the 500 Series chip and from what the engineers are telling us, the new SDK would require too much space as there are millions of colors (or at least that’s how I’m interpreting it). Here’s the thread for reference:

To be honest, this is always the pushback we get (limited space) – however, in doing some searching, it appears that all RGBW Z-Wave bulbs were only S0 (Aeotec, Hank, Zipato).

We’ll continue to follow up here as this is definitely important.

@atchinson

When I pair the Inovelli Red switches, I typically select all S0, S1, and S2. So I think that is what is occurring. It would be nice if the switches could operate at both S2 and S0. So when you create an association you could select S0 for the smart bulbs. But allow S2 for the switch to hub communication. Is that even a possibility?

This would definitely be cool – @EricM_Inovelli – is this possible? My guess is probably not.

@atchinson

Is the Inovelli team able to put pressure on Hubitat to fix it’s communication problem with S0, and specifically the Inovelli bulbs?

I wish – I love the guys over there and they’ve done an incredible job, but man, everything worked fine on my C5, but the C7 at my house with the ilumin bulbs just does not work well at all. Idk what happened as they work fine on SmartThings. Possibly the 700 Series SDK that they used. Honestly not sure.

@atchinson

Until then I cannot use the Inovelli bulbs and my assumption is any S0 zwave only device?

You can still use them – it just will not be reliable in my experience. For example, I have 3 ilumin bulbs outdoors and I’d say 80% of the time they fail to turn on/off during scheduled times. I had to write multiple rules for them to work – even then, it works maybe 75% of the time. However, the association with my indoor switch works perfectly.

I have four indoor bulbs around my TV that when I press the config button (which should allow for all 4 bulbs to turn on to a random color) – 99% of the time all four do not turn on and it’s random. It’s really weird bc the color staging works, but the bulb will not turn on until I do it manually in the app.

But then I have two bulbs in my bedroom that use the same exact scene (ie: press config button and they both turn on) and that works 100% of the time.

So, idk what’s going on. Bobby from HE has been awesome to work with, but I think we just came to the conclusion that they just don’t play nice anymore, which kind of sucks bc that was the entire selling point of the bulbs and our switches (that they work seamlessly together).

@adriang809

could you show me how to disable the light switch?. fairly new to it and the parameters aren quite clear.

Certainly! If you press the config button 8x, it will disable the switch (LED bar should flash Red) – note: this is for the on/off and dimmer switches – fan/light switch instructions below.

@adriang809

so, quick question here… please help … got my lzw36 installed today. it only uses one bulb and of course i got an illumin bulb to go with it. everything is working as intended, using your drivers. when I press the light button it kills power to the bulb… wich parameter disables the bulb relay?..

This should help you for disabling the switch for fan/light

LZW36 Z-wave association with Ilumin Bulbs not working

There are 2 components to setting local protection. The Local Protection setting just defines what is protected when local protection is enabled. If you havent already, make sure you enable local protection by holding the light dimmer up button and pressing the light on/off button 8x. Association Group 2 is tied to the light dim up/down buttons. Pressing the light dim up button 1x will send a basic set command to turn on associated devices. Pressing light dim down will likewise send basic…

Looks like this should help you with associating the bulb to the fan/light switch. It was a good reminder for me to update the KB article!