On/Off Switch (Red Series) | Project Lights Out (v2.0)

Hey sorry, just saw this part of your comment – did you figure it out? Are you talking about the notifications or the LED status (ie: LED is on at x% when the load is on, and off when off, etc)?

the instant on is defintely something i would love to see.

As far as disabling it for night feedings for instance, is this from automations or is this saying if i try to turn it on and its between x and y then dont turn on? If so, you would likely want an override of some sort. For instance if the baby is having an issue that you need to tend to ASAP you will want a way to get that light on. Maybe i misunderstood your request. I apologize if i did.

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As we’re getting more folks voicing support for Instant On, I’d like to offer a clarification on the requirement. Specifically, with regards to the proposed solution:

Solution #1 (Easiest) = Give the user the ability to disable scenes on the paddle in lieu of Instant-On. There would still be scene control on the favorites/config button.

Taken at face value, disabling scenes altogether would make the switch useless for Smart Bulb users. We still need scenes; but only one per button! I’d hate to have you guys go to the trouble of implementing this in a firmware update only to have it not work for a large portion of your user base.

@Eric_Inovelli Can you confirm that you’ll consider this in the Instant On implementation? Remember that with the relay disabled, scene events are the only way we can hook into button presses.


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That is a great suggestion. Group 3 has been on my list to add for a while (dimming), but I’ll also keep others in mind too.

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If your smart bulbs are zwave you would still have a solution: you can associate the switch with the bulb directly. If the relay is disabled it will still send commands to the associated device. Of course, this doesn’t help if your bulbs are not zwave.

Perhaps a setting to configure the double-tap speed on the button would be useful. This way a user can adjust the delay themselves. Set it to 10 and the switch considers multiple presses less than a second apart to be part of the same “event.” Set it to 0 and the delay would be instantaneous, effectively disabling the double/tripple/etc tapping functionality (probably wouldn’t want the config button to use this same timer or you wont be able to change any settings from the switch itself though)

I’m firmly entrenched in Philips Hue’s bulb line - they’re the only smart bulb manufacturer I’m aware of that has the variety of bulb shapes/sizes I need. Your suggestion to adjust the delay would work, so long as 0 works reliably!

I am not familiar with webcore, but there is a configuration parameter for disabling the internal relay (without needing to press config x8).

When I set the “Protection” parameter (117-1-0) to “Protection By Sequence” it disables the internal relay (same as pressing config button 8x). Setting this parameter back to “Unprotected” will re-enable the relay. You might be able to set up some sort of automation to change that setting.

Scenes still work while the relay is disabled, so you could still set up a scene to turn the light on on a double-tap if you need an easy way to override.

Also, setting this config option to “No Operation Possible” seems to completely disable all actions on the switch (no local control, no remote control, no scenes, etc)

jzw: Additionally, it would be nice to be able to have instructions on how to set the status light from Homeseer. I couldn’t find instructions on how to do that online.

Eric_Inovelli: Hey sorry, just saw this part of your comment – did you figure it out? Are you talking about the notifications or the LED status (ie: LED is on at x% when the load is on, and off when off, etc)?

I’m referring to being able to have the switch respond to an event (in Homeseer) where the light is set to a specific color and brightness. This a independent of notifications, but instead is more like a status that can be set but doesn’t get cleared.

Ah ok – so for example if motion is detected, the light will turn Green at 100% but will stay there and can’t be cleared via a double-tap?

Yeah. For example, I’m imagining a situation where I set the config button to turn the lighting schedule on/off in Homeseer. The when the lighting schedule is on, the light automatically turns on at night and off in the morning. In order to know whether the schedule is on or off, it would be great if Homeseer has the ability to see the status light and be able to manually set its value to on or off, corresponding with the status of the schedule. Does that make sense?

In this case, it seems like it makes sense to have the status light behave as a configurable status rather than a notification that can be cleared.

Has there been a suggestion to move the config button behind the switch cover/face plate? Or create a different button for the relay/paring?
My concern is kids mashing buttons and accidentally putting it into paring mode or turning the relay on or off.

Edit: I should have noted that I’ve actually had my kids flip the relay on the Gen 1’s a few times.

Behind the face plate would be great, I’ve hit that button myself a few times thinking I was hitting the on switch, mainly on one switch in particular where I always enter the room from that side of the switch.

It was hard to focus with the Big Lebowski staring at me lol – although I did have the same facial expression.

So, when you guys say behind the faceplate, how would that work? Like on the metal part?

Yeah, either on the metal part if there is room, or even just make it flush with the face of the switch so you have to use a fingernail or small object to press the button. It’s not a big deal for me but I know I’ve hit it multiple times (luckily not quickly where I screwed something up) so I could definitely see something unintended happening at some point.

What if a double-tap of the config button both clears the notification and sends a scene command? That way the original functionality is retained, and you could still receive notification (via a scene) that the light has been cleared.

Actually… as I type this out I like the idea of being able to see the status of the light more and more. Maybe if the switch sends an update to the controller, setting the value back to 0 when the notification light turns off (either by pressing config x2 or when the time runs out).

Yes, just slightly less accessible. Like Terk said, flush so it’s not as easily pressed.

Or for the relay, I was thinking more along the lines of a hard switch to disable the relay and pass power. That way when the switch cover is removed, it could be flipped to kill power to the lights. Granted this would be more of a feature for those with smart bulbs.

One other thought would be simply have multiple buttons pressed. For example, hold the toggle down and press config 3 times to put it into pairing.

Again, this isn’t a huge problem by any means. But since you were asking for suggestions :wink:

+1 for having the config double tap send a scene.
It sort of gives a way to track the notification was received.

Any idea how to use led notification in homeseer? I did not really play with it yet but doesn’t look straight forward either…

Let’s say that my red switch is the garage and I want it’s led color to be red if door isn’t locked or yellow if some lights are still on?

Also, where do I find the hue color circle referenced in the manual?

@EricM_Inovelli - can you help here?

@simriv123 - I’m not familiar with HS, but Eric has one for testing and can follow up shortly. However, I may be able to help you get started.

Parameter 8 is the notification setting. We made an excel spreadsheet for the color wheel, but @nathanfiscus created a GUI that you can play with that will show you the colors and animations in real time: https://nathanfiscus.github.io/inovelli-notification-calc/

Basically, if you take that value at the bottom of that page and input it in Parameter 8, it should create a notification.

Hopefully this didn’t confuse you - I’m taking a stab in the dark until Eric M can confirm!