Red 2-1 VZW31 Switch Reboots with Repeated Multiple Taps

I just installed my first Red series 2-1 dimmer, VZW31, and I’m seeing some odd behavior. When multiple taps are queued up (like an impatient human pushing a button repeatedly) the switch “crashes” and reboots itself. This happens on up or down presses of the main paddle. Is newer firmware available? Do I have a defective switch? Overall the switch works well and this is a relatively minor quibble.

More details…
Hubitat C7
Neutral present
Configured as dimmer
Load is five LED bulbs in a chandelier
Hubitat shows the firmware version of the switch to be 1.2

I will be installing a second Red 2-1 as a “remote control” for this switch (no load, smart switch only) soon.

That is not normal behavior and is not a firmware bug. I would recommend re-checking your wiring to ensure you have line and neutral properly connected to the switch line and neutral terminals.

1,02 (displayed by some hubs as 1.2) is the current firmware.

Agree w/ @PJF that this isn’t likely a firmware issue. I tested on a Red on ST by pressing the up paddle about 50x as fast as I could, and the switch did not reboot. Theoretically, that could be a driver issue, but AFAIK, no one else has reported this as an issue here.

I am adjusting your title to more accurately describe your issue.

Problem has been resolved - the neutral wire (and possibly the line and load) was a little too far into the hole and the jacket on the wire was causing a weak connection. I reseated all three wires (neutral, line, load) and the problem disappeared. All wires were in the correct places, BTW.

The fault conditions changed slightly after my post. I tested it the next day and it would no longer re-boot on multiple taps. Odd, but I wasn’t unhappy. Then I discovered that every time I changed the “on” brightness of the LED to 100% the switch would reboot every time the load was turned on. Correcting the wires fixed that problem. It is now 100% reliable and I’m very happy with it.

Reviving an old topic…

The switch has exhibited odd behavior now and then since my last post, mostly getting out of sync with the remote switch (virtual 3-way) which I have attributed to signal issues.

Recently the switch has started to exhibit a new issue: the light bulbs flicker. At some point after being turned on and a dimmer level set the bulbs will start to flicker. Turning the lights off and back on does not resolve the problem. Turning the brightness to 100% (99%, full power, whatever) stops the flickering and the lights can then be dimmed. For a while.

What could cause this?

Reviving this topic yet again. Please reference issue #1793.

The switch that was randomly rebooting has failed completely. When the light being controlled was used a few days ago it began to flicker. I was able to get the lights to stay on without flickering by turning the lights off and on, and adjusting the brightness several time.

Last night I turned the light on, and it was ok. I adjusted the brightness a little and it started blinking. Not just flickering, but blinking - staying out long enough to appear to be flashing. The on and off periods were not consistent - it was not a timed flash or blink. I tried the usual fixes - turn the lights off and on, and adjust the brightness. Several tries failed, so I reset the switch using the air gap. When it came back up it rebooted itself several times and then failed completely. The indicator bar is dark. The main paddle does not work. The small button does not work. The air gap now has no effect.

I believe this switch has failed completely. Furthermore, since I have been complaining about this from the day I installed the switch, I believe I am owed a replacement, even if the warranty is expired.

Is it possible to speak to someone at Inovelli about the issue I have had, from DAY ONE, with my VZW31? The switch has now failed completely. I don’t want to deal with your bot or another endless exchange of emails where you blame me and my light bulbs for the issue.

Merging your two threads together since they are related to the same switch. AFAIK, Inovelli does not provide phone support. You can email [email protected] to get a response from a human. They are pretty generous with their warranty, so I would expect them to take care of you if the switch is actually dead.

Getting in touch with a human at Inovelli is next to impossible, though I finally got someone in chat. I like their products, but their support needs improvement.

I have contacted them before over this switch. They blamed my wiring and my light bulbs, and essentially refused to admit their switch might be defective. So here I am, over a year later with a now failed switch that should have been replaced long ago. Inovelli has agreed to replace the switch, but the vendor on Amazon has to handle the transaction. I’m not optimistic at this point.

Hi @m00se, sorry about the rollercoaster you have been on. It seemed like things were good for a while after you figured out that wiring problem and then things started going down hill again? Hopefully I can help you out though. Can you summarize the details for me that are current? Sorry if you feel like you have to repeat things, I just want to make sure I don’t mix up any old info with new info.

Is it still this setup:

Hubitat C7
Neutral present
Configured as dimmer
Load is five LED bulbs in a chandelier
Hubitat shows the firmware version of the switch to be 1.2

Did you ever update the firmware beyond 1.2?

Did anything change around the time that the most recent problem occurred (changed configuration?)

Do you have another switch that you can swap in its place and at the same time verify the wiring is still good?

Eric,

Your info is correct. The problem never went away. It did get better for a while, though the bulbs in the chandelier would still flicker now and then. It may have also rebooted once in a while, but that was very rare. I could no longer trigger a reboot with multiple taps. Basically I got tired of making noise about it, and I had accepted that it -could- be the bulbs, since they are the cheap ones the builder used. Usually, taking the dimmer to maximum brightness and then power-cycling was enough to correct the flicker, at which point I could set it back to the desired level.

A few days ago when I used the chandelier, the bulbs flickered, so I tried my usual fix. It made it worse - the flicker changed to longer random flashes. After several off/on attempts and brightness changes it stabilized.

Last night when I turned it on, it was still at the previous dimmer level and it looked OK. I wanted the lights a little brighter, so I brought them up slightly. They started to flicker. So I tried my standard fix: full brightness, off/on several times. The flickering got steadily worse, to the point the lights would not come on at all. I used the air gap to power cycle the switch. It rebooted two or three times (not certain how many times it booted, I just saw the status light go through the boot sequence more than once) and then failed completely. I tried the air gap again, but to no avail. The status light does not come on at all. The main paddle does not work. The small button does not work. No smoke was released, and no unusual sounds were heard - no telltale “pop”. Naturally, this happened at a dinner get-together for my son’s new in-laws.

The bulbs are 40W equivalent LED units, rated at around 9W each, IIRC. They are dimmable. I have a second VZW31 on a different electrical circuit in a virtual 3-way configuration with the switch that failed (ZWave direct association). That switch works. It has no physical load, it’s just an auxiliary switch for the chandelier since the builder neglected to put a chandelier switch by the chandelier (the acutal switch for the chandelier, where the failed switch is, is in the kitchen. Go figure). The association works. It’s a little spotty sometimes - the dimmer level sometimes gets out of sync - but that’s minor and more likely just an RF communication issue rather than an actual problem.

I have not updated the firmware. No wiring changes were made. I could swap the remote unit to the location that powers the chandelier for testing. I may do that anyway so I have a functional chandelier again.

Kaleb has notified ZWaveproducts to replace the switch, but their initial reaction was to deny the replacement since it’s over a year old. I’m not surprised by that.

EDIT: Also, no configuration changes have been made in 10 or 11 months. The circuit breaker was not tripped, nor was GFCI triggered.

With the flickering, was it only certain bulbs or was it all bulbs in the fixture? Also, do you know the make and model of bulbs? It does seem like either a faulty switch, wiring that has come loose, or (if it is only certain bulbs) failing LED bulbs (the flickering part). I think swapping the switches around and at the same time verifying the wiring would give a definitive answer.

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All bulbs flickered at the same time, same rate, pattern, whatever, which is why I initially went to the switch as being the cause. The bulbs are SATCO brand, 9.5W. The only thing that looks like a model number is S11414. They also don’t last long. They’re still in the chandelier only because it doesn’t get much use. All other instances of this bulb in the house were replaced at 1yr or less old - they failed that quickly.