Red Series Gone?

[datavortex]

I have a ton of Red series switches in my home and I need to replace a couple of them. I went to the website to purchase and all the Red products are listed as sold out with no backorder option. Are they gone for good? Is this a ZigBee shop now?

[hydro311]

Availability estimates?

The future of Red Series is to slowly get back into it now that chips are readily available. Project Phoenix is the first project back into Z-Wave and we would like to see how it does before fully committing to Z-Wave again. The high level view and strategy is to lead with Zigbee and then follow with Z-Wave. So, any product launched in Zigbee, will either right away have a Z-Wave variant, or we’ll see how it goes in Zigbee first before committing to Z-Wave.

[Bry]

I would keep an eye on the Buy Swap and Sell section here. There were some for sale there and I am guessing that there will be more as some people convert to the Blues

[datavortex]

Thanks! I had not heard about the shortages or the Phoenix switches. I’ll keep an eye out for preorders in December.

[doug.sellner]

Not sure if I’m reading this right - Are you saying that you released a batch of Red series and then you aren’t sure if you are going to sell them again? I purchased 50 switches, I need another 20 to complete my home - now I’m totally screwed? Why would i purchase any more products if Inovelli won’t support a product line for more than 1 production run?

[krisk]

@doug.sellner

Are you saying that you released a batch of Red series and then you aren’t sure if you are going to sell them again?

It’s not so much “won’t” but “can’t”.

Out of Stock Item Thread w/ETA's

Lol, I’m not going to sugarcoat it, things are very hard right now from a supply chain perspective and it’s definitely worrisome from a business perspective. Here’s what we’re up against: Silicon Labs have told us to basically forget about 700 Series products until 2023 and that 500 Series will be tough to get until end of Q2 2022. If we do want 500 Series for our current switches, we can buy on the, “spot market” but that adds an extra $6 per unit (our cost… does not include tariffs on that …

Zigbee 2-1 Switch (On/Off & Dimmer) | Project New Horizon (Blue Series)

Hey great question! I think @jrperry, @stu1811 and @kendrosg nailed most of the reasons and know more than me about the intricacies of Home Assistant so definitely take their comments with open arms. I’ll give you my perspective if that’s ok – Z-Wave is going to be very difficult to source for the next year or so. We’ve been told by both manufacturers that we shouldn’t even think about 700 Series at this point and to start preparing for 800 series in 2023. Our current switches run on 500 Serie…

However, new Zwave hardware is currently in the works.

Z-Wave 800 Series 2-1 Switch (On/Off & Dimmer) | Project Phoenix

Project Team Feel free to tag any of us with questions. Myself (Eric H) & Darwyn are the go-to’s for overall project management and timeline questions, Eric M is the go-to for any firmware related questions and I’m (Eric H) the go-to for anything else. Either way, we’re all here to help! Project Manager (Inovelli): @Eric_Inovelli Project Manager (Manufacturer): @Darwyn_Inovelli Innovation Lead: @Eric_Inovelli Technical Lead: @EricM_Inovelli Introduction As per our tradition of working …

[Bry]

Both new and swapped out here. Probably will be a bunch of Reds as they get swapped out with Blues:

Buy, Swap & Sell

[PJF]

Lets be blunt. The existing Reds are never coming back. Inovelli and the Chinese manufacturer had a falling out and the Red tooling and firmware might as well be considered gone since the manufacturer has it. This means the product will not receive any further firmware updates or be produced again. A new zwave switch or dimmer will appear in the future produced by another company, the same one that does the Zigbee devices. It will be called a REd series but be a completely new device and it should be better.

[mhanley05]

So do we just wait for Project Phoenix? I have been trying to get a lot of on/off and dimmers for a basement remodel, and for the neighbors who are now getting into smart home stuff and ask all the time “why are they always out of stock?”. Don’t get me wrong ZigBee is great, but once you build a zwave network of 40+ switches, your latency is nano seconds. The red imho is the best switch I have ever used. Never any issues, install is easy, integration is seamless, and I am just now making myself sadder knowing I’ll have to install zooz or ge switches.

[PJF]

Yes, project Phoenix is the next time a zwave device will be availabe.