Zigbee Button Controller + Dimmer Switch | Project Walt

Expounding upon @rohan’s comment, since the published specs thus far indicate a wired load capability is a dimmer, it IS like the Blue dimmer, which cannot have a WIRED fan load. However, the published specs thus far indicate that it has a binding capability, so you should have the same binding ability to bind to the fan canopy as the Blue dimmer does.

Just like with the when the Blue dimmer is wired with no load and bound to the canopy, I expect the same here. Both the Controller and the Canopy are to be powered via a hot and neutral. So a bypass would not come into play here for either.

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to provide a quick update for you all. The manufacturer is still working on tweaking the light leakage as our B2B partner is still pushing back. Here are the latest pictures on what this leakage looks like:

We should have more information on the 9th when they’re back in the office.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments on this.

Thanks!

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My opinion only, that’s looking pretty darn good!!!
I’d buy it!

-JD

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TBH, I think that light leakage is extremely acceptable. I get that pictures online or viewing monitor resolution can differ but there comes a point in time where realistic tolerances must be established. Again, it’s my opinion only.

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The issue is with satisfying the B2B partner’s standards, not if we think it’s good enough. Plus Inovelli doesn’t really do “good enough”. I am willing to wait for it to be great

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Very true, but I have dealt with partners/vendors in my line of work too. And, letting them say it’s “not good enough” without defining what that means in a measurable manner can be unproductive, especially if you’re dealing with multiple departments from the same partner. They may be paying the bills, but it doesn’t mean it’s a ticket to an endless cycle of guessing what is “good enough”, unless of course they hire you as a consultant on an on-going basis :smiley: (I’ve worked as that too)

Any updates?

Hi there,

No further updates at this time. We are still waiting on approval from our B2B partner before we can proceed further with this project. We have made some more tweaks to the light leakage, and it is looking much better. Just waiting to hear back now.

Thank you for your patience, we hope to have more news shortly!

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Kaleb,

Thank you for your reply.

This response makes me wonder if most of the confusion in these chats revolves around the definition of an “update”. The message you just sent is exactly the sort of update I’d have hoped for. A quick message saying that you’ve made a couple revisions and are waiting for the B2B partner to respond.

Based on your comment of “No further updates at this time”, you likely do not consider what you just said to be an update. I think I can speak for most of us by saying that is an update and that is exactly what we wanted to hear

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A quick update on a Friday afternoon, like this, would be wonderful!

“Quick update: we spent most of this week going back and forth with our B2B partner. Nothing to show for it yet, but we’ll share photos when we get a final version”

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I’ve been excitedly awaiting for updates on the zwave version, didn’t realize the discussion was over here. Looking great so far, quality products take time and effort, keep up the good work!

I will be terrific when these come out

Any chance of an update on these?

I would assume the same tooling being discussed in the zwave thread is also aplicable to this model, if That is the case that would mean That The testing Was Done on November 30, and we are expecting an update on if the tooling was successful, and if that is the case that would be one step forward.

Project Update

Highlights

  • Button samples with transparent materials are now the top priority.
  • A laser for engraving has been identified and tested with existing paddles.
  • Tooling for buttons is reportedly “getting very close to success.”

Risks/Blockers

  • Button processing is complex, and tooling issues have caused delays.
  • Current button tooling has dimensional issues: three buttons are 0.15mm larger than standard, causing crowding and loss of pressure after coating for backlit testing.
  • Backlight transparency is a critical concern that needs to be tested as early as possible.

Timeline

  • January 18th: Tooling company expects to complete fixes for button size issues.
  • January 30th: Samples with more transparent materials, including painting and engraving processes, are expected to be completed.

Decisions

  • The button controller has been designated as the #1 priority now that mmWave has completed.

Action Items

  • Determine if backlight testing can proceed now with improved transparency, or if it must wait for the new tooling.
  • Test the identified laser on the button controller once the official paddle is available.
  • Provide a finding report once button samples are completed.
  • Clarify plans for laser engraving content customization for future products.
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Can we see photos of the samples received at the end of January?

The samples received were honestly disappointing. The light diffusion still wasn’t solved and, somehow got worse.

However, this prompted me to learn Fusion 360 and I think I’ve solved it, but I’m waiting for them to return from Chinese New Year to stress test it.

Samples:

The issue lies in the fact that we’ve told them repeatedly that a cylinder (“+” sign) in the middle cannot dissipate light correctly unless there’s some sort of diffuser that mixes the light properly.

The design was as follows:

What I’ve been testing over the past couple weeks is the following design (note: I colorized the diffusors to make it easier to see – they are actually translucent):

Also note that the above and below are slightly different as it doesn’t have the LED notification on the side – but the same principle will apply (using a light box where the text is needed).

The results are much better (note: ignore the red bleed on the outside, I did not have the blocker in, I just was trying to test the smooth dissipation):

The challenge is that there are different button combinations and so we had to create the PCB as follows:

LED → PCB Button → LED → PCB Button → LED → PCB Button → LED

With the direct shot of the LED’s to the back of the plastic button (the one that you are depressing down to activate a scene), it caused too many shadows with the cylinder there.

Using a box type diffuser that moves the cylinder as close to the PCB button as possible was the solution I went with in hopes that the light would hit the initial diffuser and then scatter within the box to create an even light for the words to come through.

It seems to have worked.

The challenge now, is manufacturing two different plastics and adhering them together. This is where my knowledge lacks. I’m told this is possible by the engineer, but I’ll know more when they return.

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Thank you, Eric!

Amazing update. It’s exciting to see pictures and design details.

Your attention to detail and desire for a truly great product is exactly why I’m drawn to Invoelli products.

Keep up the good work and please don’t interpret our anxious excitement as impatience or ungratefulness. I can only speak for me, but I will wait as long as it takes for a proper development life cycle to unfold knowing the quality and effort that is going into this.

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looks great can’t wait to buy 12.

Time to manufacture in the USA? I’d pay more

Great updates. So glad to see the progress on this! Is it fair to say that an official release is still 6+ months away? I have a project where I need controls in the next 2-3 months. If these are close enough to release I’ll wait for them. But, if they are more likely to be a Q3/Q4 release, I’ll go for an interim solution with the intent on still purchasing these when they come out later this year.

(My question/comment applies to both variants… Zigbee and Z-Wave. I have both in my ecosystem and will purchase whichever gets released first)

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