Help With 3-Way

@jburden Are those the attributes for the zWave object, the light, or one of the sensors? I’m working with HA so I’m trying to see if I can inject custom attributes that it will accept.

That’s weird. I didn’t get my offer letter nor did I know I was starting Monday.

Even weirder, I didn’t know I was transitioning either.

It is for the device - the LZW31-SN. I learned those options are not available for the on/off version.

@jburden Yeah I’ve got the LZW31-SN as well, on home assistant with a USB Zwave, but I’m not seeing those configuration options. I tried adding in custom parameters but to no avail.

I don’t know. I get the feeling it’s not properly recognizing/utilizing the traveler wire. I’m no engineer, but that’s what the behavior seems like to me.
It looks like @jburden was able to configure the 3way settings from within their platform, but sadly I haven’t found the same configuration options within Home Assistant. I’ll keep digging and report back…

For the record, these things work great on regular 1 switch setups. I just got scenes configured and im loving it!

Edit: I actually forgot (not joking), technically I AM an engineer, just not that kind of engineer. (InfoSec) poor choice of words :sweat_smile:

Edit 2: **CyberSec. Apparently I don’t know what I do for a living :joy:

@Eric_Inovelli

I had the same issue, but it all came down to a wiring issue. Everything was hooked up according to the switch specs, and had this issue. runs (Issue only happened when using a dumb switch, aux switch it worked fine.)
All wires were traced using the connectivity option between switches (just used some cat 5e I had laying around for the

So on the dumb switch (3-way switch, had only 3 wires, 2 black, and 1 red.) I started to swap the wires around and then after a few tries I found the right combo. I believe that some dumb switches are just enough different from others that this causes an issue. Don’t understand why but it does. I have been running it now for about a month with no issues, using it many times a day.

Note I had a similar issue with my 4-way setup and it all came down to the 3-way switch needed to have the wires swapped around.

Hope this helps. (Note I have 3 different 3-way setups and 1 4-way setup (1 3-way and the 1 4-way I had to swap the wire on the 3-way switch, my other 2 3-ways had no issue and were hooked up according to specs)

I don’t remember the brands or how they are wired but there are not many combos, 6 if I remember correctly.

Also another thing you may want to have people verify is if they have a 3-way, 4-way, 5-way, ect…

Many people think 3-way is 3 switches and use all 3-way switches instead of 1 4-way and 1 3-way.

3-way = lights + 1 Smart switch and 1 dumb switch (with only 3 wires aka 3-way switch)
4-way = lights + 1 Smart switch and 2 dumb switches (one with 3 wires (aka 3-way switch), and a 4 wire switch (aka 4-way switch) Note: 4-way switch goes in the middle and the 3-way goes on the end)

One other thing is to find out is how there wiring is set up. Does box 2 have 1 or 2 sets of wires as this makes a difference also.

Update:
So I created the 2 wire diagrams I have in my house:

Original Method according to switches

Alternative method used. (Anyone having issues try this)

The alternative method is also how I ended the 4-way setup (on the 3-way switch)

Hope this helps out someone.

link to 4-way post I had.

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@Almulder Nice, glad to hear you were successful. Gives us hope! I’ll be sure to try some additional configurations when I’ve got sunlight.

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Just wanted to chime in that I was experiencing the same problem as the OP with my red series dimmer (i could toggle power from the dumb switch only when my red series was “on” and the blue status light always remained on). After talking to my friend who was an electrician-he asked me if I was sure there was nothing wrong with the smart switch which made me realize I never configured the Inovelli dimmer to be a 3way switch. As soon as I enabled “3 way toggle” and “neutral” in the config, everything worked as expected!

Same as OP. I had configured it as 3way, but neutral is listed as 1 by default. I went in and set neutral to 1 and re-set 3way to 1 to be sure, and then after using an alternate wiring configuration on my dummy switch, I’m very happy to say up and running on my first working RedSeries 3way. Waiting on my next order to arrive before I take a crack at the others.

I am curious about one thing though, when I toggle the dummy switch it’s hard on/off, very little dimming, if any. Is that expected?

Looks like I am in the same boat. I am using HomeAssistant, and as far as I can tell I cannot set the parameters from the UI.
And I am not so confident that my 13 taps counted properly, for the “dumb witch + inovelli” option. The value is 0,1 or 2, however, i see more than 0, 1, 2 purple flashes. I am probably changing a different parameter…

I am sure that the inovelli switch is in the box with line, and I did verify that traveller wires are hooked up on the dumb switch. However, same as others, I can only use “dumb switch” when inovelli switch is on (blue).

UPDATE: Spoke too soon. I figured out the issue. The wiring was all ok (best video I found on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz9KKvoS6p0)

The issue was that, the default mode for Neutral/Non-Neutral mode seems to be incorrect in the documentation. Only after changing the AC mode to “Neutral”, and Switch Mode to “Smart + dumb switch” it started to work

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this must be an issue with the type of dummy switch you have. i have my a dummy switch that has the common terminal across from the traveler. clearly not as pictured. I guess I am giving up and going to buy lots of GE add on switches. I’m going to have to buy 10+ of them. I’m not a happy camper.

figured out the issue. You need to configure Inovelli switch. Took some time to figure out, how to configure it, but after that, setup was a breeze.

Thanks for sharing this, @akguwabr. @Eric_Inovelli @EricM_Inovelli I don’t see the configuration options mentioned above, in the SmartThings Device Handler. Is there any other way to configure these options with a ST hub, or an update to the Device Handler?

I had the same issue with the dumb switch not working. I had set the 13 to 1, but also had to set 12 to 1. The dumb switch setting worked but it looks like neutral default state is wrong. I had to set the neutral to 1 and then it starting working.

Lol – check your spam folder. Subject Line should be: G8 3-Way Issue oh and You Start Monday Congrats.

What you do in your own time is your own business – I’m out on that one!

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Yes, this is normal – you’ll also likely hear the relay in this setup too :slight_smile:

Yeah, great find – It’s really strange because when we tested the firmware that was approved, it worked as normal (hence when we wrote the Wiring Insert instructions) and then after people started posting about it in the forum (thank you btw) we realized that there is likely a mistake on how the firmware is setup (ie: by default it’s set as non-neutral). The weird part is that when we asked the manufacturer about it, they said that they set the default to neutral, so we’re still looking into this.

However, when we made the YouTube videos on configuration:

We noticed the same thing (I had to program the switch to be neutral).

Yeah, they should be in there (Dimmer switch – On/Off does not have this capability) – make sure you downloaded the right one located here: LZW31-SN Device Handler

Then, in the Classic App, click on the Inovelli switch and then the gear icon at the top right of the screen to take you into the switch menu.

Next, scroll down to where it says, “AC Power Type” and “Switch Type”.

  • AC Power Type = Neutral vs Non-Neutral
  • Switch Type = Single Pole, Toggle (Dumb Switch), Momentary (Aux Switch)

After beating myself up and setting up a little test jig I found this thread and changing the neutral setting worked for me as well. Thank you @Newlance! Seems like the switch wasn’t setup with neutral wire as the default so the instructions are missing that part. Now that it’s working I find that if I cycle the dumb switch quickly I sometimes have the smart switch missing a change. So if the dumb switch is toggled up for lights on and down for lights off, if I switch the lights on and then off quickly the smart switch will sometimes miss it and then when you switch the dumb switch again it’ll turn the lights on and then off quickly to “catchup”.

TLDR: If your switch isn’t working in 3 way and everything is wired right, go to #12 parameter and toggle up one time and then do #13 like it says. Still have a minor issue when quickly switching the dumb switch on and off though.

Sadly the non-dimmers do not have this feature and some of us appear to be stuck with the switch not working as intended.

I think we may be having the same issue. But I have faith that Inovelli will get it right.

I too want to believe they will get it right but it seems there are a lot of 3-way issues right now across the board and there as been little to no official responses on them.