Z-Wave 800 Series 2-1 Switch (On/Off & Dimmer) | Project Phoenix

[Eric_Inovelli]

@philh30

I have a contractor installing this type of lighting. Any concerns running these on the new reds?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-Contractor-Select-Wafer-Series-4in-3000K-4000K-5000K-Switchable-White-Integrated-810-Lumen-LED-Canless-Recessed-Fixture-264T2W/306570225

They should work just fine, but like @harjms mentioned, it would probably be best to bench test it first if you can.

@murv82

So I was looking to use 1 of my reds to replace an old jasco in my garage that is wired to an outlet and has 4 LED shop lights hooked up to it. Can I do that in on/off mode? Do I need to change any settings: trailing to leading? That stuff has me all sorts of confused!?

Sorry for the confusion lol. As @Bry mentioned, definitely try to hardwire them as these switches are not rated for outlets. In theory if they are single-pole and you use Full-Sine Mode (Parameter 22), it should work, but we can’t officially endorse it as it’s not rated by UL for outlets.

Another option for you would be to use a Z-Wave smart plug (Zooz has some) that supports the wattage and then use Z-Wave Associations from the switch to the plug.

But if you want a hardwired approach to control an outlet, then I would recommend what @StevenZwave mentioned.

@dptr257

Not sure if there’s a new area for firmware requests -

I love that the “Ramp Rate” settings have a “Sync with Parameter #” option.

I’d really love if we could have the same choice for Default Level Local & Remote. I love to change my default brightness based on time of day, and it’s kind of kludgy to update both settings individually. That’s the one feature I really like about the Zooz switches which I’d love to carry over to my new Reds

I haven’t made a location yet, but I will throw something in GitHub and let you guys know shortly. Great idea!

@Dave_Morgan

Did I miss something?

No, I just hadn’t updated the GitHub page – I just added the parameters and descriptions so it should be up to date!

@jlouts

I have a Red 2-1 switch installed in single pole mode with a neutral wire. I cannot find the setting to change to switch between trailing edge and leading edge. What’s the parameter?

Looks like I made a mistake – checking with the other Eric. I thought this made it into this firmware file. But I don’t see it either. I was testing 1.01 and I see it in the 1.01 change-log. I’m just noticing this today as I updated the GitHub parameter page.

If you need Leading Edge, let me know and I can share the 1.01 file. I feel really dumb.

@fisheromega

For the Blue Series 2-1, I see Parameter 261 is for turning on or off the relay click. That parameter is not available for the Red Series 2-1. Besides that, the configurations are basically the same.

Yeah this is my fault (again… arg)… the correct parameter is 161.

The GitHub page should be up-to-date now with the correct parameters.

Looks like @mamber nailed the rest of the questions you had – let me know if you have any more!

@kylerw

Yes, I saw this and it fixed it for me as well. MAX level of 87 seems to fix it

Odd as it’s only 4 LED can lights.

Yeah sorry about this, this also happens on the Blue Series switches and this was the explanation we got from the engineers:

The reason this happens is that the traveler wire is used to detect when the dumb switch is toggled. When there are many bulbs, the switch can sometimes get confused about whether the switch is flipped or not when the circuit is at a higher level. So it flips the load on and off quickly. Lowering the max level will get rid of the interference on the traveler.

@fisheromega

From what I gather, if I use my switches as On/Off only, then I should set parameter 22 to “No AUX Full Wave”. It would help reduce issues if I have (or install) a non-dimming bulb and bathroom exhaust vans. Thanks!

Correct

@hypnosis4u2nv

How can I get Hubitat to identify these switches? I already update drivers through HPM.

When did you update them? We just pushed an update late last week. The problem was that there was a new fingerprint that was used on the device that we didn’t have in the driver. So, if you installed the driver before last Friday, then that’s likely why it’s not picking it up.

I’m also not too familiar with HPM and how it grabs drivers. I just installed the driver manually from GitHub, so maybe there’s a disconnect there? I’m not sure.

I can tell you that I was able to get it to detect following these directions (I just re-verified just now): Knowledge Base Redirect – Inovelli

[hypnosis4u2nv]

Thanks Eric, that worked and got the switches working properly now with the drivers. I couldn’t find any links to the new drivers, appreciate you linking them.

[Dave_Morgan]

@Eric_Inovelli

No, I just hadn’t updated the GitHub page – I just added the parameters and descriptions so it should be up to date!

FYI - there are some (really nice) settings that aren’t updated on the page yet. Specifically, the fact that the Dimming Speed and Ramp Rate parameters actually support values up to 254, as follows:

5-100 = 100 ms (500 ms - 10 seconds); 101-160 = seconds (minus 100); 161-254 = minutes (minus 160)

I’ve already put this to use to ramp my bedroom lights from Off to On over 5 minutes when I wake up.

As an aside, I am super impressed with these switches. I previously had one Red series switch and a couple of HomeSeer switches, but the bulk of my switches were UPB technology installed in 2006. The feature set in the Red 2-in-1 switches is incredible, and the dimming is nice and smooth. Great work to you and the team!

[skarden]

5-100 = 100 ms (500 ms - 10 seconds); 101-160 = seconds (minus 100); 161-254 = minutes (minus 160)

It sounds very cool that it can handle such a wide range of times, but I’m a little confused about how these get set from the above. So would 11 seconds be set as 111 and 11 minutes would be 171?

[BertABCD1234]

Yes, that looks correct to me. (Going with the Z-Wave JS parameter documentation and what I can find in the Hubitat driver as I work on my own since the only official-ish source I can find right now is the Z-Wave conformance doc. )

[Eric_Inovelli]

@Dave_Morgan

FYI - there are some (really nice) settings that aren’t updated on the page yet. Specifically, the fact that the Dimming Speed and Ramp Rate parameters actually support values up to 254, as follows:

5-100 = 100 ms (500 ms - 10 seconds); 101-160 = seconds (minus 100); 161-254 = minutes (minus 160)

Let me check on this – my understanding was that Z-Wave could only handle up to 100 (not 255 like Zigbee).

I misunderstood the engineer – hoping to get everything double-triple checked. There are so many parameters that I have a hard time keeping up sometimes. Thank goodness for @EricM_Inovelli lol.

@Dave_Morgan

I’ve already put this to use to ramp my bedroom lights from Off to On over 5 minutes when I wake up.

Oh that’s really cool! I hadn’t thought to use it for an automation purpose. I use the Ramp Rate settings to have it so that when I turn on the light, it comes on instantly (like an on/off switch) and when I turn it off, it will fade off over 2ish seconds.

@Dave_Morgan

As an aside, I am super impressed with these switches. I previously had one Red series switch and a couple of HomeSeer switches, but the bulk of my switches were UPB technology installed in 2006. The feature set in the Red 2-in-1 switches is incredible, and the dimming is nice and smooth. Great work to you and the team!

Thanks! Yeah these switches have come a long way and I have to give the credit to the community, you guys are awesome! So many cool ideas that we would’ve never thought of.

I was comparing our Gen 1’s from 2017 to these and while we thought the switches back then were awesome, these are night and day in terms of feature-set. Really goes to show what constantly innovating can do.

@skarden

It sounds very cool that it can handle such a wide range of times, but I’m a little confused about how these get set from the above. So would 11 seconds be set as 111 and 11 minutes would be 171?

Let me do some digging here. I am “spoiled” with SmartThings in the sense that the UI doesn’t allow all these custom parameter changes. It just shows the values I can choose from. In other words, it just shows 1ms, 2ms, 3ms, etc but doesn’t give me an option to input specific values.

[EricM_Inovelli]

@Eric_Inovelli

I was comparing our Gen 1’s from 2017 to these and while we thought the switches back then were awesome, these are night and day in terms of feature-set. Really goes to show what constantly innovating can do.

I was working on the 2017 switch SmartThings Edge drivers a few months back and it really made me think about how far we have come. I think there were like 9 parameters on the dimmer and @Eric_Inovelli and I would stay up late with China testing firmware and it was sooo much easier lol. I miss those days in that regard, but it is cool to see everything we have added with the help of the community.

[Eric_Inovelli]

@EricM_Inovelli

I think there were like 9 parameters on the dimmer and @Eric_Inovelli and I would stay up late with China testing firmware and it was sooo much easier lol.

I’ll have to find that one video of me absolutely losing my mind when I was testing out non-neutral Z-Wave Association or something with our Gen 2’s.

At the time, I didn’t think it was possible to dim up/down a smart bulb using an aux switch in, “Smart Bulb Mode” (aka Disable Relay lol) and then, I just pressed the aux switch and it worked.

I’ve never been more embarrassed to have geeked out over something lol.

[Dave_Morgan]

@skarden

So would 11 seconds be set as 111 and 11 minutes would be 171?

That’s what I’m seeing. I’m setting it to 165 for five minutes.

[Elbyron]

For any other Canadians wondering about Aartech shipments, I placed a pre-order on July 5th and just got a notification today that it’s now on its way to me! So they seem to be in stock now and have caught up on their pre-orders.

[t_shaun]

I also got a notification my Aartech order has shipped but no eta. Just refreshing the tracking number waiting for updates.

[Dave_Morgan]

I just played with another fun parameter - 53 which is Double-Tap Up. I had the same configuration on my UPB switches, and I thought I would have to create HomeSeer events for every switch I wanted to behave that way (I have LED lights almost everywhere, and some of them are quite bright at full so I usually run them up to 60-70%, but sometimes full brightness is nice). Having that parameter (and the corresponding parameter 55) gives me the functionality I had before, with no dependence on (or maintenance of) HomeSeer.

[Eric_Inovelli]

If memory serves me well, I believe @Chris (who also runs/ran HomeSeer) was a big promoter of this parameter

Glad you like it!

[Chris]

Yup! I have a few places where single tap up turns on a light to my partner’s preferred level (we don’t actually need to SEE what we’re doing), double tap up turns it on to my preferred level (let there be light!).

The association groups are good with that too. You can have single tap turn on that light, double tap turn on all the lights in the area. No hub scenes required!

[Dave_Morgan]

@Chris

The association groups are good with that too. You can have single tap turn on that light, double tap turn on all the lights in the area. No hub scenes required!

I haven’t yet played with associations, although it’s on my list to do soon. I would have tried them yesterday, but I ran into a wiring issue on a 4-way switch that has me puzzled. But that sounds like another fun idea!

[Alex_Inovelli]

Took longer than promised, but Z-Wave UI Association Instructions are posted:

How To: Setting Up Device Associations | Home Assistant Z-Wave JS UI (inovelli.com)

This is the first opportunity I’ve had to use associations and I’m impressed. After timing it with the high-speed camera on my phone, I’m seeing only about 50 milliseconds of latency between the two bulbs lighting up.

[rohan]

Alex, you should add group 2 as well. With two dimmers, you want 2,3,4 associated bidirectionally.

[Dave_Morgan]

FYI - it looks like there’s an issue with the device definition in the Open Z-Wave database. If I go to the page for this device, I get this message:

And I only see the first six parameters.

And looking at it from HomeSeer, I get this:

By comparison, everything looks good for the LZW31-SN.